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Conjaq

Imperial Academy

Amarr Empire

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#41 - 2014-06-23 11:37:47 UTC

CCP Rise wrote:

I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.

Black ops and Recons are both on the short list after that but I'm not sure exactly what the schedule will be (Summer is crazy in Europe, they let you just not go to work).

I can't wait for your black ops balance passes :)

Also; enjoy the vacation!

Daichi Yamato

Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass

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#42 - 2014-06-23 11:39:44 UTC

Joraa Starkmanir wrote:

CCP Rise wrote:

love you

And with that i think mr negativity have been proven wrong, if players ask enough someone will reply Lol

CCP troll me all the time. See freighters with fittings...

bolded: can of worms opened

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Arline Kley

PIE Inc.

Khimi Harar

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#43 - 2014-06-23 11:47:35 UTC | Edited by: Arline Kley

Icarus Able wrote:

Arline Kley wrote:

CCP Rise wrote:

I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.

Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon?

What is wrong with the armageddon?

Where do I begin?

No bonuses to its primary weapons systems with a horrible mix and match of turrets and launcher slots. and given bonuses to support weapons systems.

Its a primary ship of the line for the Amarr Empire. Imagine if you will a Nimitz class carrier of having its steam catapults to launch its fighters, retrofitted to a fat man with a hand catapult made out of toilet rolls and elastic bands. That is the level of trainwreck going on here.

"Oh!" The masses cry unto the heavens "The Armageddon is now a surprise ship! People do not know what is being used!"

No, it's a malformation from the abyss that needs to be returned. Its laser powers restored and the Drone or NOS bonus removed, as it NOT Gallentean or heretical Blood Raider. It was fine the way it was, and it did not need changing to something akin to an Amarrian Skinned Typhoon, with no actual bonuses.

Drop 2 launchers (so you still have 7 total). Give the Launcher/Turret an ROF increase. Drop drone bay down to 100m³, and remove the Nos/Neut range bonuses. We have Recon ships for that job.

Send your hate mail to the usual address.

*edit* fixed math fail regarding turrets/launchers

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TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel Likes received: 1,293	#44 - 2014-06-23 11:51:56 UTC when is the T3 nerf

Black Canary Jnr

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#45 - 2014-06-23 12:19:30 UTC | Edited by: Black Canary Jnr

Arline Kley wrote:

Icarus Able wrote:

Arline Kley wrote:

CCP Rise wrote:

I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.

Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon?

What is wrong with the armageddon?

Where do I begin?

No bonuses to its primary weapons systems with a horrible mix and match of turrets and launcher slots. and given bonuses to support weapons systems.

Its a primary ship of the line for the Amarr Empire. Imagine if you will a Nimitz class carrier of having its steam catapults to launch its fighters, retrofitted to a fat man with a hand catapult made out of toilet rolls and elastic bands. That is the level of trainwreck going on here.

"Oh!" The masses cry unto the heavens "The Armageddon is now a surprise ship! People do not know what is being used!"

No, it's a malformation from the abyss that needs to be returned. Its laser powers restored and the Drone or NOS bonus removed, as it NOT Gallentean or heretical Blood Raider. It was fine the way it was, and it did not need changing to something akin to an Amarrian Skinned Typhoon, with no actual bonuses.

Drop 2 turrets and reduce the launchers to 2 (so you still have 7 total). Give the Launcher/Turret an ROF increase. Drop drone bay down to 100m³, and remove the Nos/Neut range bonuses. We have Recon ships for that job.

Send your hate mail to the usual address.

There's this thing called the armageddon navy issue that sounds just like that o.O

Armageddon is a great ship at the moment, a real threat in a fight. I think that you just want a cheap PvE ship from it and refuse to accept it's awesomeness.

Besides we already have 2 amarr laser T1 battleships, the apoc and the abaddon. The abaddon isn't even used at the moment except for smartbombing because it's in a bad place in the meta. Why you would bonus missiles on T1 amarr ships is beyond me considering there are 0 T1 amarr ships that have missile bonuses.

Daichi Yamato

Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass

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#46 - 2014-06-23 12:29:56 UTC

Arline Kley wrote:

No, it's a malformation from the abyss that needs to be returned. Its laser powers restored and the Drone or NOS bonus removed, as it NOT Gallentean or heretical Blood Raider. It was fine the way it was, and it did not need changing to something akin to an Amarrian Skinned Typhoon, with no actual bonuses.

Buy an abaddon?

Geddons great

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Gypsio III State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 1,264	#47 - 2014-06-23 12:44:52 UTC 1 I didn't realise that two armour-tanking Amarr laser battleships weren't enough for people. Actually, Arline proposes a Geddon with three turrets and two launchers, so it's not quite a laser boat... in fact I don't know what it is. The Geddon is fine IMO.

Rivr Luzade

Coreli Corporation

Pandemic Legion

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#48 - 2014-06-23 12:54:21 UTC | Edited by: Rivr Luzade

Arline Kley wrote:

Icarus Able wrote:

Arline Kley wrote:

CCP Rise wrote:

I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.

Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon?

What is wrong with the armageddon?

Where do I begin?

No bonuses to its primary weapons systems with a horrible mix and match of turrets and launcher slots. and given bonuses to support weapons systems.

Its a primary ship of the line for the Amarr Empire. Imagine if you will a Nimitz class carrier of having its steam catapults to launch its fighters, retrofitted to a fat man with a hand catapult made out of toilet rolls and elastic bands. That is the level of trainwreck going on here.

"Oh!" The masses cry unto the heavens "The Armageddon is now a surprise ship! People do not know what is being used!"

No, it's a malformation from the abyss that needs to be returned. Its laser powers restored and the Drone or NOS bonus removed, as it NOT Gallentean or heretical Blood Raider. It was fine the way it was, and it did not need changing to something akin to an Amarrian Skinned Typhoon, with no actual bonuses.

Drop 2 turrets and reduce the launchers to 2 (so you still have 7 total). Give the Launcher/Turret an ROF increase. Drop drone bay down to 100m³, and remove the Nos/Neut range bonuses. We have Recon ships for that job.

Send your hate mail to the usual address.

No bonus to primary weapons system? Excuse me? Drones are the primary weapon system of the Armageddons.

And as a Neut-CruiseMissile-Sentry boat, the Armageddon performs outstandingly in fleets.

Amarr are a mixture of weapon systems: Drones, Missiles and Lasers are all used by them. We have 2 Laser BS already, the 3rd is a differentiation and rightfully so.

Moreover, neither Neut Recons nor Neut T3 are able to do what the Geddon can do in a big BS-/Capital fight. Recons don't have the range, HP and neut amount and T3 don't have the range and neut amount. Hence, the Geddon also has a very strong role in this scenario; especially since it doesn't rely on cap heavy weapon systems, which would prevent it from executing the neuting task properly.

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Arline Kley

PIE Inc.

Khimi Harar

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#49 - 2014-06-23 12:54:55 UTC

Gypsio III wrote:

I didn't realise that two armour-tanking Amarr laser battleships weren't enough for people. Shocked

Actually, Arline proposes a Geddon with three turrets and two launchers, so it's not quite a laser boat... in fact I don't know what it is.

The Geddon is fine IMO.

5 turrets 2 launchers :P I'm so used to the Army have 7 turrets is that my math failed Oops

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elitatwo

Zansha Expansion

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#50 - 2014-06-23 13:21:50 UTC

Arline Kley wrote:

Gypsio III wrote:

I didn't realise that two armour-tanking Amarr laser battleships weren't enough for people. Shocked

Actually, Arline proposes a Geddon with three turrets and two launchers, so it's not quite a laser boat... in fact I don't know what it is.

The Geddon is fine IMO.

5 turrets 2 launchers :P I'm so used to the Army have 7 turrets is that my math failed Oops

In addition to that you also failed to mention that the Armageddon makes 2 out of four Marauder class ships and a lot of capital ships have a really bad day.

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Bohneik Itohn 10.K Likes received: 781	#51 - 2014-06-23 13:30:59 UTC 2 Yay for soon to be functional pilgrims! \o/ Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?! - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.

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Thorado Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore Likes received: 5	#52 - 2014-06-23 13:40:42 UTC Make the Black Ops BS's real guerrilla warfare boats with specific bonuses to match.

Icarus Able

Refuse.Resist

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#53 - 2014-06-23 14:02:15 UTC

Arline Kley wrote:

Icarus Able wrote:

Arline Kley wrote:

CCP Rise wrote:

I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.

Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon?

What is wrong with the armageddon?

Where do I begin?

No bonuses to its primary weapons systems with a horrible mix and match of turrets and launcher slots. and given bonuses to support weapons systems.

Its a primary ship of the line for the Amarr Empire. Imagine if you will a Nimitz class carrier of having its steam catapults to launch its fighters, retrofitted to a fat man with a hand catapult made out of toilet rolls and elastic bands. That is the level of trainwreck going on here.

"Oh!" The masses cry unto the heavens "The Armageddon is now a surprise ship! People do not know what is being used!"

No, it's a malformation from the abyss that needs to be returned. Its laser powers restored and the Drone or NOS bonus removed, as it NOT Gallentean or heretical Blood Raider. It was fine the way it was, and it did not need changing to something akin to an Amarrian Skinned Typhoon, with no actual bonuses.

Drop 2 turrets and reduce the launchers to 2 (so you still have 7 total). Give the Launcher/Turret an ROF increase. Drop drone bay down to 100m³, and remove the Nos/Neut range bonuses. We have Recon ships for that job.

Send your hate mail to the usual address.

So you want another Apoc or Abaddon and have remove an incredibly powerful/interesting ship from PvP.
Bugger off. Recon ships? Ok how about you take that curse and try and neut out multiple Battleships or a Dread or Carrier with it.

If you wanna use lazors grab the Armageddon Navy issue stop trying to make all ships the same.

Alundil

Rolled Out

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#54 - 2014-06-23 14:05:25 UTC

Arline Kley wrote:

Gypsio III wrote:

I didn't realise that two armour-tanking Amarr laser battleships weren't enough for people. Shocked

Actually, Arline proposes a Geddon with three turrets and two launchers, so it's not quite a laser boat... in fact I don't know what it is.

The Geddon is fine IMO.

5 turrets 2 launchers :P I'm so used to the Army have 7 turrets is that my math failed Oops

Your army math, notwithstanding, the Geddon as currently configured is actually quite a useful setup and a very versatile hull.
It's strength is, tbqh, NOT being limited to "Oh look another laser boat, just cap it out and kill/ignore".

I'm right behind you

Dinsdale Pirannha

Pirannha Corp

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#55 - 2014-06-23 14:50:07 UTC

CCP Rise wrote:

So, after nerfing drones out of existence for PvE players because of the PvP use of the OP Domi's and Ishtar's that YOU designed, now you will go back and nerf them into something closer to the other ships in their respective classes.

Naturally, you won't be undoing the nerfs to drones that were driven by these 2 ships in the first place.
Brilliant, just brilliant.

Natasha Rachmaninova

Interminatus

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#56 - 2014-06-23 15:11:17 UTC

CCP Rise wrote:

I dont pay you for not working at any kind of summer...

MeBiatch

GRR GOONS

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#57 - 2014-06-23 15:11:38 UTC

Arline Kley wrote:

CCP Rise wrote:

I think very next thing for me is going back to Battleships and HACs for polish passes now that they've been out in the wild awhile and there's some room for improvements.

Any chance on fixing the trainwreck that is the Armageddon?

hmm how about double range for nuets?

so a 20% bonus to range.

or in other words heavy neuts that go out to 52 km?

that and give it a drone bandwidth of 150 mb

that way it could use three gekko drones...

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Bohneik Itohn

10.K

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#58 - 2014-06-23 15:14:07 UTC

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

CCP Rise wrote:

Way to jump to conclusions there, bud....

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the only way to balance Ishtars and Domis was to start with rebalancing drones and then moving to the ships, since drones needed to be completely reworked across the board anyways?

Nothing was ever mentioned about a nerf to any particular ship or their respective weapons systems. No one said that ships preferred for mission running weren't going to get relevant boosts. But since you insist on being a victim I might as well rub some salt in.

It was getting really boring only using less than 15% of the drones available just because doing anything else meant dying in a rather embarrassing fashion or taking hours longer to do your PvE content. You're welcome to continue on your min-maxing circle-jerk with like-minded mission runners, but drones needed to be brought into line with other weapons systems for a very long time, and if they weren't going to get fixed they needed to be removed.

The rest of us voted for variety in our gameplay, and it's happening. If change bothers you that much please go infatuate yourself with a game that doesn't get regular updates, because that is the only way you'll avoid future disappointments.

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Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy Likes received: 1,267	#59 - 2014-06-23 18:06:12 UTC 2 T3's and recons for crius please!!!!!! T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using


Bohneik Itohn 10.K Likes received: 781	#60 - 2014-06-23 18:10:06 UTC 1 Rise needs a cute intern to keep him focused on the job, so that we can get this ball rolling. I want to see what's in store for T3's sometime this year. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?! - Freyya Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help.

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