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A serious question for the EVE community RE: Player Conduct.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#41 - 2014-06-23 13:21:18 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
FWIW I petitioned a character who had the name "Vilerat Deservedit".
There is no longer any character under that name.

Shh don't tell anyone he just changed name...

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-06-23 13:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Thatt Guy wrote:
Aww, someone's opinion hurt your space feelings {sadface}.

But really, you think someone should be perma-banned for expressing their opinion about VR?
What's next, ban anyone who doesn't like goons?

With all due respect to VR, having an opinion and expressing it isn't grounds for punitive actions, (regardless of how untasteful it may be).

Actually, seeing as this is CCP's sandbox, CCP's forums, and CCP's decision to allow you to give them money and access their system, CCP can decide to ban you because they don't like your avatar's haircut. They really don't need a reason - the reasons are just there so we have some kind of level playing field - but as with the TV show "Who's Line is it Anyway" the rules are made up, and the points don't matter.

Alastair Ormand wrote:
You want to suppress a persons right to free speech just because you don't like it?

Harsh as it seems, they have a right to express their opinions no matter how brutal it is.

Your first amendment rights do not apply here, since CCP is not the American Government (or an American Company, not that it really matters). They can ban you for saying "I hate cheese". You left your First Amendment rights behind when you clicked "I Accept" on the EULA. Why the **** don't people grasp that simple concept? Ugh

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-06-23 13:31:39 UTC
scratched monument, lame
E1 lamer and forgotten
speaking ill of the dead, one layer down
recruiting that speaker for publicity/notoriety, smells desperate.

In fact all those are desperate. Mean and petty duds.



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Prince Kobol
#44 - 2014-06-23 13:33:06 UTC
I have question for the OP.

Would you of cared if the person said say person x deserved to be killed or is it because they said vile rat deserved to be killed?

Just curious
Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#45 - 2014-06-23 13:38:50 UTC
Chribba wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
FWIW I petitioned a character who had the name "Vilerat Deservedit".
There is no longer any character under that name.

Shh don't tell anyone he just changed name...

Wait … this is on Tranquility? How/since when is that possible?

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)

Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-06-23 13:47:00 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:

Your first amendment rights do not apply here, since CCP is not the American Government (or an American Company, not that it really matters). They can ban you for saying "I hate cheese". You left your First Amendment rights behind when you clicked "I Accept" on the EULA. Why the **** don't people grasp that simple concept? Ugh


+1 internets for you. It's a sad indictment on the current state of American schools. I'm sure they're all being taught that they're all special snowflakes, though.

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#47 - 2014-06-23 13:52:49 UTC
The Erotica1 thing was a weird form of mass hysteria which I'm sure people will look back on one day with embarrassment, like how they like to forget they once burned an effigy of David Beckham after he got sent off for kicking that Argentinian.

As for the topic of speaking ill of the dead in Eve, that's a can of worms.



De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-06-23 13:54:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Soylent Jade wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:

Your first amendment rights do not apply here, since CCP is not the American Government (or an American Company, not that it really matters). They can ban you for saying "I hate cheese". You left your First Amendment rights behind when you clicked "I Accept" on the EULA. Why the **** don't people grasp that simple concept? Ugh


+1 internets for you. It's a sad indictment on the current state of American schools. I'm sure they're all being taught that they're all special snowflakes, though.


Being an American, and heavily involved in the local school system from a parental standpoint, I can assure you, we're not. However, there seems to be a rather vocal minority *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. who are not getting the message.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2014-06-23 13:58:21 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:


As for the topic of speaking ill of the dead in Eve, that's a can of worms.


I was taught you don't speak ill of the dead. Period, end sentence, this discussion is over. An online game has nothing to do with basic courtesy. Though basic courtesy seems to have nothing to do with the internet either, so there you have it.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#50 - 2014-06-23 14:10:40 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have question for the OP.

Would you of cared if the person said say person x deserved to be killed or is it because they said vile rat deserved to be killed?

Just curious


Yeah, and I would feel pretty much the same way.

This is a video game. Sure, it gets meta sometimes and various groups are at war for video game internet spaceship points - but once you cross the line into calling for the RL death of the player behind the character or making tasteless comments about a community member who was murdered in RL - ain't no meta game reasons that can make that acceptable, and the classic "lol i was just trolling" that usually follows seems pretty hollow and meaningless.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#51 - 2014-06-23 14:18:47 UTC
Morihei Akachi wrote:
Chribba wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
FWIW I petitioned a character who had the name "Vilerat Deservedit".
There is no longer any character under that name.

Shh don't tell anyone he just changed name...

Wait … this is on Tranquility? How/since when is that possible?

By petition, a normal procedure when someone gets renamed is that you first get renamed to "Citizen 123456" but (most of the time) have the option to chose a new name afterwards. So not really a feature to change name but the work of GMs.

/c

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#52 - 2014-06-23 14:44:11 UTC
ill hop in at this point and say, while i see your point,
I don't think anything needs doing beyond having a discussion on the topic.
Tracy Smith
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-06-23 15:02:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tracy Smith
It looks to me like people are complaining because of who the object of that smacktalk was and not because of the general tone of what was said.

Did anyone violate the Terms of Service? If so then let CCP deal with it.
hellcane
Never Back Down
#54 - 2014-06-23 15:13:25 UTC
Be an adult and block someone when they offend you.

You will find that throughout life, there will be many people that say stupid, inflammatory things. Ignore them because you do not value their opinion. Don't scream for someone else to take care of your problem.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#55 - 2014-06-23 15:15:49 UTC
hellcane wrote:
Be an adult and block someone when they offend you.

You will find that throughout life, there will be many people that say stupid, inflammatory things. Ignore them because you do not value their opinion.


So.. Never not Back Down then?

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Prince Kobol
#56 - 2014-06-23 15:22:23 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I have question for the OP.

Would you of cared if the person said say person x deserved to be killed or is it because they said vile rat deserved to be killed?

Just curious


Yeah, and I would feel pretty much the same way.

This is a video game. Sure, it gets meta sometimes and various groups are at war for video game internet spaceship points - but once you cross the line into calling for the RL death of the player behind the character or making tasteless comments about a community member who was murdered in RL - ain't no meta game reasons that can make that acceptable, and the classic "lol i was just trolling" that usually follows seems pretty hollow and meaningless.



So are you saying that its bad just because the deceased was somebody who played Eve?

I take it then then everybody is fair game because they are just not important enough to get angry about.

Now just before you go all white knight, I will tell you where I stand on Vile Rat, whilst tragic his death was, for me personally as I have never met him, talked to him or interacted with him in anyway shape or form, it is no more tragic then a death of child or when a person is killed in natural disaster, or in thousand other ways that thousands of other people die every single day.

So you trying to garner some kind of sympathy for E1 by using Vile Rat's name simply does not work on me. If anything it makes me think you are a complete **** as there are people who did know Vile Rat personally and where his death deeply effected them.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-06-23 15:30:21 UTC
hellcane wrote:
Be an adult and block someone when they offend you.

You will find that throughout life, there will be many people that say stupid, inflammatory things. Ignore them because you do not value their opinion. Don't scream for someone else to take care of your problem.


Sure, let's talk about the maturity of the people that get called psychos and sycophants on a regular basis and ignore that of the players hurling the invectives. We'll just pretend we can block them and everything will be rainbows and lollipops, that blocking them will solve the actual underlying problems here, the main one being, of course, for anyone with a clue, the inconsistency of CCP's community management, as demonstrated repeatedly in the past time and time again. Those of you that read my blog when I banned CCP from my money for a month will know what I'm talking about.

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#58 - 2014-06-23 15:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: DJentropy Ovaert
Prince Kobol wrote:


So are you saying that its bad just because the deceased was somebody who played Eve?

I take it then then everybody is fair game because they are just not important enough to get angry about.

Now just before you go all white knight, I will tell you where I stand on Vile Rat, whilst tragic his death was, for me personally as I have never met him, talked to him or interacted with him in anyway shape or form, it is no more tragic then a death of child or when a person is killed in natural disaster, or in thousand other ways that thousands of other people die every single day.

So you trying to garner some kind of sympathy for E1 by using Vile Rat's name simply does not work on me. If anything it makes me think you are a complete **** as there are people who did know Vile Rat personally and where his death deeply effected them.



No. I never said it was bad simply due to it being someone who played Eve.

I never said anyone was more important then anyone else.

If it is not painfully obvious by this point that this entire conversation has NOTHING to do with E1 and that the ONLY reason E1 was used was for a point of comparison - I really am feeling that you did not take the time to read everything that has already been written before posting.

In case you don't want to take the time to read a few pages or you somehow missed it - I knew Vile Rat in game, and had a lot of good times chatting with him and working on some random projects. Met him once at Fanfest and sat down for a pint of beer with him. While his death did not "deeply" effect me in the way many many people who knew him much better then I did - his death did effect me. He was a great dude to talk with.

If you really think this entire topic is some kind of stealth move that has ANYTHING to do with E1 you are missing the point. As I stated before - it's quite possible to mention E1 or use his story as a point of comparison to something else without taking part in some grand stealth scheme to somehow ... I don't even know anymore. Just read the whole thread. What the hell could I possibly have to gain from discussing this beyond... discussing it? If this is some covert play to "garner some kind of sympathy" for E1 - how does that work? Do you really think I just made this all up as some sort of stealth thing when multiple people in this thread have replied and mentioned that were there and saw the entire thing?

I'll say it one more time - yeah, the EVE forums have a lot of trolling and "stealth" posts. That does not mean that every single post ever made falls into this group.

So, yeah. I see where you are coming from, but just take a moment and read it all, ok? Or do a fast search on all the posts that I have ever made on the forums. You won't find a single example of me engaging in "stealth" posting or any kind of trolling. Sure, you'll find a few where I tend to let my love of sarcasm come to the surface and play - but you won't find a single example of what you are accusing me of. Before you start launching into referring to me as creative names that the forums decide to replace with a bunch of ****'s - at least have the decency to do a bit more homework before launching into your conclusion, ok? Thanks.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#59 - 2014-06-23 15:44:39 UTC
Posting in another doomed thread that won't get anything accomplished when all is said and done.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#60 - 2014-06-23 15:50:23 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Posting in another doomed thread that won't get anything accomplished when all is said and done.


lol :)

I'm a bit thankful that I don't share your very intense sense of total pessimism, but I totally see where you are coming from. It's rather frustrating when you are dealing with some people who are so paranoid that actually think that just mentioning the name of a specific player for purposes of an example automatically requires that the tin-foil hats be passed around while we all personally insult each other. xD