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Eve online as premium accounts and F2P accounts

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#41 - 2011-12-06 09:09:32 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Lots of words.


I, too, pay for my accounts with PLEX, nevertheless, the fact that cold hard cash enters the equation at some point (even if you're not actually the one doing it) precludes a F2P descriptor.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2011-12-06 09:26:45 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Lots of words.


I, too, pay for my accounts with PLEX, nevertheless, the fact that cold hard cash enters the equation at some point (even if you're not actually the one doing it) precludes a F2P descriptor.


While the entire game is not F2P, I have chosen to play EVE via a model which is F2P.

read my post a couple back. EVE's subscription model is also a "sandbox" where it's F2P/P2W/Subscription all in one. We've grown so accustomed to it that it's gotten to the point where I don't think it would survive being any single model.

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-12-06 09:28:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
LotRO turned to shite a year into their move to F2P. There was no point being a premium member once you reached max level, since the game offered nothing to the premium paying max level player.

Not too mention, Turbine started designing inconvenience into the game and then selling convenience as a microtransaction. Basically, they were designing to annoy their playerbase.

I quit LotRO. I will never play a Turbine game again. And it has convinced me that the F2P model is garbage.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2011-12-06 09:30:55 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
LotRO turned to shite a year into their move to F2P. There was no point being a premium member once you reached max level, since the game offered nothing to the premium paying max level player.

Not too mention, Turbine started designing inconvenience into the game and then selling convenience as a microtransaction. Basically, they were designing to annoy their playerbase.

I quit LotRO. I will never play a Turbine game again. And it has convinced me that the F2P model is garbage.

I had a hamburger at McDonald's and it was small, tasted poor and not satisfying. This has convinced me that Hamburgers are garbage.

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2011-12-06 09:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Zagdul wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
LotRO turned to shite a year into their move to F2P. There was no point being a premium member once you reached max level, since the game offered nothing to the premium paying max level player.

Not too mention, Turbine started designing inconvenience into the game and then selling convenience as a microtransaction. Basically, they were designing to annoy their playerbase.

I quit LotRO. I will never play a Turbine game again. And it has convinced me that the F2P model is garbage.

I had a hamburger at McDonald's and it was small, tasted poor and not satisfying. This has convinced me that Hamburgers are garbage.
If some company were giving away free hamburgers (just a cold bun and the burger ... you have to pay for toppings and things like heating it up), and it tasted like shite (which of course it would), I would not bother with free hamburgers again. True.

Thanks for being dumb though.
Lexmana
#46 - 2011-12-06 09:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Zagdul wrote:

read my post a couple back. EVE's subscription model is also a "sandbox" where it's F2P/P2W/Subscription all in one. We've grown so accustomed to it that it's gotten to the point where I don't think it would survive being any single model.


You don't see the forest for all the trees. EVE is a subscription game. Period. However, the sandbox cater to many different play styles and at the personal level (you, the player) you can taylor it towards F2P or P2W within certain constraints (i.e. the sandbox).

The PLEX system was a genius move by CCP to counter RMT by bringing in a sandbox friendly flavor of F2P and P2W to EVE.

But EVE is a subscription game that brings in about $15/month and account. Even for those who grind ISK to buy PLEX.
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Khimi Harar
#47 - 2011-12-06 09:45:04 UTC
@OP, if you can give me one serious MMORPG that uses F2P and didn't do it as an answer to a failing business I'll give you a dollar.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#48 - 2011-12-06 09:59:13 UTC
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Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2011-12-06 10:06:06 UTC
The F2P model in eve is reversed.

Free players have to pay for their accounts.

Premium players play for free.

Also, WoT is technically an MMO, and has always been F2P with purchasable gold for premium accounts and goodies. That model is going to be spread over 3 games eventually which will share purchaced gold and premium between them. So Wargaming's taking F2P to the next level in that a player can pay between $8 and 15 depending on gold package and suscription duration for premium accounts in three different games with shared experience and cash.

The difference between WoT and other F2P games is that WoT and its sister titles were designed around the F2P model. About every other MMO that has gone F2P was forced to do so or just call it quits. DC Universe online though is probably one of the more successful F2P conversions. It's a pretty fun game with a nice story and character creation for comic book nerds, it's just not worth a monthly fee at all.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#50 - 2011-12-06 10:19:05 UTC
Mahakaharashi RedEagle wrote:
Classic monthly-sub model becomes thing of the past anyway so I guess it's only a matter of time before CCP decides to move on.

EVE was always very different from all other MMOs. The rules of the conventional MMO market do not apply to EVE. That's why EVE doesn't have to follow the others into f2p.

Afaik EVE has very old players compared to other games. Last I heard the average EVE player is over thirty. This also means that EVE players have more money to spend than other groups. The type of player that keeps EVE strong – committed for the long term – will usually prefer to pay a steady fee and not worry about silly bonus items.

I suspect that players who play lot of other MMOs concurrently with EVE are very casual EVE players. Someone who enjoys shallow crap like LOTRO is probably running missions in EVE all the time because that kind of grinding is the only thing EVE has in common with all the garbage on the market.

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Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#51 - 2011-12-06 10:36:09 UTC
I am going to go out on a limb here and say the overwhelming majority of MMO players who would prefer a F2P model are teenagers. Respecfully, I do not want a large "de-evolution" of our player base as a majority. Eve players have always been savvy, intelligent individuals, and I would prefer to keep it that way.

If they don't want to pay to play the game, they can spend their money (that they have) on something else.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2011-12-06 10:47:31 UTC

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Eugene Spencer
Set Phasers To Malky
#53 - 2011-12-06 10:53:05 UTC
Hey the F2P accounts could be blocked from the forums - that could be a premium account benefit. That'd cut out a crud-tonne of rubbish posts, yo.

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Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2011-12-06 10:57:11 UTC
You mean Eve is not free to play already? =X
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#55 - 2011-12-06 11:07:12 UTC
There is already F2P in EVE; it's called a trial. You got 14 days to decide if you want to become a premium player.

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Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#56 - 2011-12-06 11:48:48 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
There is already F2P in EVE; it's called a trial. You got 14 days to decide if you want to become a premium player.

As you already wrote, this is called "trial". A gift of right-reduced play time in order to evaluate the game. It is not compareable to a permanent free account.

The other method of "free play" is also something special, and hardly compareable to the well known F2P. You have to grind ISK somehoe to buy a PLEX (game time). And those, who offers PLEX, have *PAID* for the game time. And *if* no one offers PLEX ingame, all those "free accounts" locks down automatically. A F2P-Account does not do that.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2011-12-06 12:10:19 UTC
If EVE were free to play, multi-boxing would become ridiculous.
If this issue were fixed, along with others, then heavily restricted F2P would be a worthy and viable addition to EVE. Anything else is elitist.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2011-12-06 12:17:39 UTC
Gerald Taric wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
There is already F2P in EVE; it's called a trial. You got 14 days to decide if you want to become a premium player.

As you already wrote, this is called "trial". A gift of right-reduced play time in order to evaluate the game. It is not compareable to a permanent free account.

The other method of "free play" is also something special, and hardly compareable to the well known F2P. You have to grind ISK somehoe to buy a PLEX (game time). And those, who offers PLEX, have *PAID* for the game time. And *if* no one offers PLEX ingame, all those "free accounts" locks down automatically. A F2P-Account does not do that.






And nor should it be comparable. A trial should come with restrictions that limits the player and that player have to pay for a subscription to see any kind of progression at all.

This applies to a majority of MMOs that offer some kind of F2P model, restrictive and all kinds kinds of incentives to make you pay them money are thrown at you.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-12-06 12:18:21 UTC
I want an UNLIKE button more then the like button for the OP.

Horrible idea if not utterly stupid.

Expect a large portion of current paying subs to unsub as EVE will be filled by stupid teenagers that are now happily playing any other F2P MMO, best to keep them there.

If you want to play for free, take you fat-ass out of the CQ and do stuff to make money to buy some PLEX from the market.

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Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#60 - 2011-12-06 12:21:17 UTC
Kanexus wrote:
Would Eve online work as a f2p game with premium accounts?

EVE's economy is incompatible with a "freemium" payment model.
You would need to so heavily butcher it in order to make it compatible enough in order to make CCP more cash that the game you'd be left with would barely resemble the EVE of today.

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