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And this I can tip my hat to.

As for your response, Mallak, that was yesterday, prior to Herr's lengthy explanation of himself, multiple times in the thread now.

And my problem was never with Herr, and why he plays the game. Many of the points in his long posts I can agree completely with, most specifically, the things he said of Ero, who I was there with, damn near every night, adding more structure to the BR. Why? Because I considered Ero a friend. And Herr is more than welcome to use any tools at his disposal to continue doing his thing.

No, instead, my problem is with another poster in this thread, claiming that the justified reasons many of us gank.....are instead.....lies.

And it still doesn't change the fact that in all of the associated chans, it is never "about making people quit." Rather...it's about the lolz. And you know that, as we have shared words both there and here.

Please don't selective quote, Mallak. It's not good for the sense of debate. You're still good people though.

And to you, Mr. Wilkus...

I fully support your reasonings. Do I agree with them? Not all of them, of course, but not everyone will. But I also think you are smart enough to know that. I agree that entitlement is the real issue here, not ganking. I think that it would be smart of CCP to draw the line in the sand over EvE, admit that they made a niche game that is extremely harsh, and then have the stones to stand by their creation.

As for the post that my quote came from....

I still stand by it. I didn't say that individuals from BU/MB do not specifically grief players from the game. I said that you don't hear people talk about it. And I still stand by what was actually said in that post, that Herzog shouldn't presume that every other ganker is out to grief players out of the game. Or question the position that they argue. Because he isn't a mind-reader, and knows absolutely nothing about the people who sit behind the avatar.

Now through the entirety of this thread, I have refrained from actually disclosing the reasons why I gank, and by extension...safari and scam. I felt that it was too personal. But I have shared in BU/MB, and Remiel inspired me not too long ago to be open to his fellow EvE community players. There are a number of reasons...

1. I suffer from 6 mental illnesses that directly effect my CNS and the amount of adrenaline that is put into my body. All anxiety related. One thing that EvE has, that is pretty intangible and hard to explain, is "the rush." Only problem is, I have "the rush," all of the time, due to a constant panic state. It's something that sucks to live with, as many people would tell you, but I learn to cope with it. Which leads me to...

2. The HS piracy communities, compared to any of the communities I have belonged to, understand things like this. They aren't going to sit there and make fun of handicaps, no matter what kind they are. And they certainly aren't going to make fun of said handicaps, when you are overcoming them, bringing down a corp, baiting a mission dude, or ganking a miner or industrial. Because when you do suffer from a handful of anxiety illnesses, using social grace, intelligence, and effort to do any of the playstyles we "Undesirables" consider fun...is a hurdle for a person like myself. But I do it, and quite frankly, it is therapeutic in doing so. Whether someone else's dream is crushed or not is negligible. Because that is the nature of EvE. You are supposed to crush the dreams of others.

3. All of the "Undesirable" playstyles are semi-passive. Meaning I can afk if I need to. Gankfleet, you have 15 minutes to kill before the next target is lined up. This is 15 minutes in which I can simply chill, play Hot Wheels with my kid, mess with the cats......whatever. Same with a safari. Or a bait. Or even deccing. All of these playstyles are dependent on when the "Undesirable" wants to start the festivities. I don't have to find replacement logi, like an incursion fleet. I don't have to worry about participation numbers. I can play EvE the way I want to play it. The same way the miner, who places himself in the role of consistent victim, chooses to do.

4. And finally, and probably most importantly, why not? As Falcon said, quoting Mr. Caine...some men just want to watch the world burn. I have never hidden my nihilistic nature regarding EvE.

Point is, my problem never laid with Herr Wilkus' motives for ganking or doing anything in EvE. My problem laid with Herzog assuming that every single ganker's motives are to make players quit, when that is simply not the case. If Herr believes what he does is a way of "economic warfare," then so be it. With current events, such as the DUST and WoD situations, CCP needs a little humbling, rather than a bunch of cheerleaders.

Even PvE is PvP unless you only do missions, never sell loot and produce everything you use yourself and never buy or sell anything on the market. Though as soon as you undock, you will enter a PvP zone and nothing will stop someone else to include you into their PvP.

Really, missions should be a depleting resource. Right now they're the only occupation where you can actually avoid engaging in PvP.

I guess we could just start the "PvP takes many forms" path but, what would be the point?

I've said what I had to say. And frankly I don't even recall who started it. Someone advertising New Order or whatever...

The point is that it's the truth

Try reading the OP, which I've linked for your convenience. Most of what you've had to say is utter nonsense btw, you appear to be woefully ignorant about the nature of the game that you're playing.

Greetings

As much as I like a good "to gank or not to gank" thread, this topic has been discussed thoroughly by better than I. I think that even a relatively sane person would agree that after 268 or so posts that the horse is dead and the thread has run its course.

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