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CCP, show miners some love. Please.
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Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#41 - 2014-06-22 00:13:37 UTC
The thread is redundant (I could post a rule excerpt, but I am not ... ... ah, what the helI, got the page still open...

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... because the OP is clearly guilty of neglect of informing himself, as well as properly considering the consequences of his assumptions and suggestions and is unaware of his negligence towards current balancing, principle game mechanics and exploits.
Furthermore is it nothing but a sneak attempt to hit the pointless discussion about miner-ganking, ganking in principle, 'make high-sec secure', 'want all the benefits without sacrificing anything' and so on from another side. This in itself violates the rule against reposting locked or redundant threads as well as posting existing threads anew.

1.) Defenses of mining ships have been buffed
2.) Mining ships have been further balanced for different roles making them more effective
3.) Mining ships even got enhanced weapon systems (as an example, Rattlesnake lost the +10%/level bonus, Procurer and Skiff got one instead making them more powerful in this regard as a faction battleship)
4.) Mining ships already made decent PvP ships before the buffs and are even better now, while not even sacrificing the high slots for yield ...
5.- 100.) ... to tired to write them, look em up. Or someone else add at their leisure...

Oh yeah, and I am a full fledged miner ... stop speaking for me or against non-miner which seemingly know more about it then you.

And if you just want to incite the 'anti gank' hatred, you are at the wrong place. - And so you can sleep sheltered and all warm tonight, if I get killed in my miner it was only, because the others brought the numbers and not due to a failure of mine or the systems and there is now way nor should there be one, to offer protection from that.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#42 - 2014-06-22 00:17:18 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:

Doreen Kaundur 10/10, Its been a long time since I've seen so many people fall for such an obvious troll attempt.


You sly devil... Back to General Discussion with you...

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#43 - 2014-06-22 00:30:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
When CCP employees start to hold your hand, it's to steal your watch, especially CCP Guard, he's shifty like that.

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Rayzilla Zaraki
Yin Jian Enterprises
#44 - 2014-06-22 00:44:09 UTC
Risk v Reward

Fly a Mackinaw or Hulk which are kinda "squishy" and you risk a ganking, but greater ore hold or yield. If you're worried about bad guys, create a butt kicker alt to guard you.

Fly a Skiff (as I do now) and lower your gankability but also reduce yield/capacity vs the previous two.

I don't see an issue.

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Inshallah Eichman
Doomheim
#45 - 2014-06-22 08:36:21 UTC
AFK is the only kind of mining worth doing.

Buffing miners too much though will flood the market with bots even more than it already is.

You should be happy you can AFK mine 99% of the time and never be bothered unless you are doing something really really strange.

Losing a ship every now and then to some kid angry at you for existing isn't a huge deal. In fact, you should by that time be able to replace it very easily if you AFKd enough.

I will never watch the screen and mine or fly 20 jumps through high sec without autopilot on. Unless I am carrying a couple hundred million in cargo perhaps. You should do the same and you will be fine. Your wife won't get pregnant from the mailman, your kids won't have birth defects, and you won't get fried from your job.
Dally Lama
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-06-22 11:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Dally Lama
Sorry, there's no reason to be ganked anymore. Bring a Procurer. If you have a few of them, bring a friend in a Scorpion. If you have 2 friends, bring them in RR Rohk.

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#47 - 2014-06-22 11:37:17 UTC
Ncc 1709 wrote:
those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships.

yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships

I don't.

No mining ship should have both crazy tank and crazy yield.

Suck it up, RISK VERSUS REWARD,

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#48 - 2014-06-22 12:42:02 UTC
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners?


Im a miner. ur just not a very good one.

Ncc 1709 wrote:
those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships.

yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships


Or we can not buff mining so that miners who arent idiots make more money than those that are idiots.

\o/

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#49 - 2014-06-22 12:52:54 UTC
Inshallah Eichman wrote:
Your wife won't get pregnant from the mailman, your kids won't have birth defects, and you won't get fried from your job.


where u from? just so i can avoid these cannibalistic, cuckolding, mutant people.

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Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#50 - 2014-06-22 15:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Mole Guy
there have been HUGE changes in mining lately.
the procurer and skiff are beasts.

i have a great pro/skiff setup that STILL cuts a lot of rock or ice, but has 50k tank and runs burner for speed tanking.
all cap stable.

i was attacked this morning twice. once by an inty who couldnt scratch my shields and when the drones got ti him, he ran like a beotch.
the 2nd was by a thrasher. point, web..hitting pretty descent, but once the drone hit the field, he was GONE.

they couldnt scratch my shields. the inty i fought while tanking a tripple bs spawn.

step away form the hulk, leave the mack sit unless you have designated security and an intel channel.
this fit will get you close to 70% resistance across the board and 11500 tank or so. completely cap stable. turn on hardners and repper when undocking and forget about it.

skiff
1 thermal rig
1 either ice or mercoxit) rig

2 mining laser II's (or ice)
1 RCU II

1 10mn experimental burner
1 scanner II
1 adaptive invul II
1 passive EM ward II
1 small shield rep II

ice /deep core/ modulated stripper II

drones
5 lights for anti-frig/dessy
1 gecko or your choice of 5 medium or 2 heavies or entries. if you have 2 miners, have them mine 40k apart and drop 2 garde II's. assign them to defend the other person. sentries hit hard and will take a chunk out of a dessy who tries to gank u.

there was a kill mail rolling around where a carrier hot dropped several procurers. like 8 of them.
THEY KILLED THE CARRIER WITH HAMMER HEADS. the carrier got 1, but the others got the carrier.



enter the field, orbit the material at range to keep speed up. drop drones.
its cap stable, quick, smaller sig radius, and a freak on roids when it comes to tanking.
procurers and skiffs can really do damage n packs.
i dont even engage the rats unless they neut me. i speed tank and dont get below 90% shield.

for the procurer use this:

micro k-exhaust
mining laser II
experimental 10mn burner
small shield booster II
em ward field II hardener
adaptive nano II

modulated stripper II

thermal rig
kinetic rig
core defense shield extender.

drones.

do you want you cake or do you wanna eat it? you make more money with the hulk, and thats great for buying new hulks.
you make less with the skiff, but youll only buy 1..
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