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POS - Ice Refining

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Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#1 - 2014-06-18 11:54:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Speed Destiny
I have access to a POS, but don't know what formula is use for POS ice refining...

I am not in high-sec so access to ice refineries is hard and also the NPC station close-by is owned by a corp that has only distribution agents and increasing standings are incredibly slow.


How can I calculate the yield for POS ice refining? All I can find is pre-Kronos formulas which obviously are not correct anymore.

Edit: I've access to an Intensive Reprocessing Array
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-06-18 12:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
Pre-Kronos formula are correct since nothing changed around refining in Kronos (see patch notes)

If you're talking about the upcoming changes to refining, those are still 5 weeks out.
Speed Destiny
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#3 - 2014-06-18 12:22:30 UTC
What I got for sure, it is that it is hard capped to 75%. If so, POS refine it is pointless for me, as I get already 92.6% at NPC station, which I don't know how to improve faster...

Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-06-18 12:34:45 UTC
Yup. No point at all in refining at a POS in the next 5 weeks.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2014-06-18 12:56:33 UTC
IIRC, the cap only applies to ores (veld, scord, etc) and not to ice.

However, if you're in hisec, you cannot currently refine in a POS in the first place.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#6 - 2014-06-18 16:47:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
tl;dr: Train your refining skills to 5. Buy an implant. A POS will be getting a slight advantage, more so in losec than hisec. OP, use that POS. Use it hard.


So much bad information in this thread. I'll summarize the refining-related changes below.

Until Crius is released on July 22, refining ice at a POS will still give perfect yield regardless of skills. Refining ore at a POS is completely ******** and should never be done unless you live where you cannot access a refinery station (w-space for example).

Post-Crius (July 22), the refining formula will change everywhere, including POSes. NPC station refining yield is being slashed by about a third.

Refining skills are getting a rebalance that will require you to have maximum skills, standings, and the best implant in order to get the same yield you currently enjoy in hisec stations. This will give you a yield of 72.36%.

The mineral content of all ores and ice are being multiplied by 1.381 in order to compensate. The contents of unrefined moon goo are also being boosted because they are only effected by scrapmetal reprocessing, which I will get into shortly.

All refining will be done in batches of 100 units. No more odd numbers like 333 units. The amount of minerals you get out of a 100 unit batch will be directly proportional to what you get out of the current batch sizes, adjusted by the 1.381 mentioned above.

Reprocessing, that is anything that is not an ore or ice, will no longer consider any skills except the Scrapmetal Reprocessing skill, standings, and station equipment. So max reprocessing rate for ships and modules for example will be about 52% of current.

At a POS you can get a 2% bonus with the Refining Array, and a 4% bonus with an Intensive Refining Array. Obviously standings are irrelevant except for access. But skills will be taken into account. So with those same perfect skills and implant you will get slight better yields than are currently possible.

Player-controlled outposts in nulsec will have a base refining rate plus up to an additional 10% bonus if they have been fully upgraded. But since you indicated losec, I won't get too far into that. I believe the max is somewhere in the neighborhood of 82.36%.

The standings requirements for anchoring a POS in hisec will be removed.

The Medium Intensive Refining Array is going to be repurposed into a Compression Array. So you will be able to compress ore at your POS if you wish to transport it or sell it on the market.

Compression blueprints are being removed. Compression will become instantaneous. Like ore refining, ore compression will no longer require odd batch sizes. Compressed ore mineral contents and stacks will be adjusted accordingly.

Losec is getting some more valuable ores in the rarer anoms.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#7 - 2014-06-18 19:20:15 UTC
Speed Destiny wrote:
What I got for sure, it is that it is hard capped to 75%. If so, POS refine it is pointless for me, as I get already 92.6% at NPC station, which I don't know how to improve faster...


I may be wrong, but I recall something about POS refineries being able to refine ICE at 100%. The cap was only for minerals. That will change with the coming update, but for the next few weeks you should be good to go.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2014-06-18 19:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
If you have Ice Processing 1, you get 100% refine on ice using a POS refinery, now. This changes after Crius.

Read the info on the array:

Quote:
Refining yield efficiency does not apply to ice ores, which are always refined at the maximum efficiency the operator is capable of.



After Crius:

Reprocessing Yield = Reprocessing Facilities * (1 + Refining Skill * 3%) * (1 + Refining Efficiency Skill * 2%) * (1 + Ore or Ice Processing Skill * 2%)

Level 4 Material Skill At 50% Facilities = 68.31% [or -4.048%]
Level 4 Material Skill At 50% Facilities and 4% Refining Implant = 68.31% * (1 + 4%) = 71.0424% [-1.3156%]

Level 4 Material Skill 52% Reprocessing Array = 71.0424% [-1.3156%]
Level 4 Material Skill At 52% Reprocessing Array and 4% Refining Implant = 71.0424% * (1 + 4%) = 73.884096% [+1.526096%]

Max Skill At 50% Facilities = 69.575% [or -2.783%]
Max Skill At 50% Facilities and 4% Refining Implant = 69.575% * (1 + 4%) = 72.358% [this is the old "perfect refine"]

Max Skill At 52% Reprocessing Array = 72.358% [this is the old "perfect refine"]
Max Skill At 52% Reprocessing Array and 4% Refining Implant = 72.358% * (1 + 4%) = 75.25232% [+1.67232%]
Taegessia
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-06-22 13:17:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Taegessia
EDIT : Post removed as my question has been answered.

"Please add an option to automatically repackage & stack our currently unpackaged items in our item hangar".