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Eve online as premium accounts and F2P accounts

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Kanexus
F.13 - Union of Russians
F.13
#1 - 2011-12-06 05:14:19 UTC
I played alot of mmorpgs. And I noticed that alot of once p2p mmorpgs are now going premium accounts with F2p accounts as well... some great mmorpgs that went f2p are, champions, age of conan, lotro, ddo, city of heroes, and everquest 2 just to name a few. Only the big names like WoW has been able to keep a subscription base over the past years. Would Eve online work as a f2p game with premium accounts?

I was thinking about this while I was grinding away at work. How it would actually work. Well for one I think that it could work by first of all lowering the ability of the f2p user. Making the f2p user still be able to enjoy the game but limit what he can do. some things i thought of is

1. Decrease their training speed time. Make it double or something of what a premium account has.
2. Limit what ships they can use. Example make it where they cant learn to fly carriers or some other t2 ships like hulk.

Eve population i would say is steady. Its not really decreasing but not growing either. I know alot of people that want to try EvE online but always ask me is it free. I say only for 3 weeks on trial then they are like never mind. I believe this idea could bring in tons of new players. Some will still leave the game but im sure some will stay and more than likely upgrade thier account to premium. One new game that just turned F2p was lineage 2. i never played the game before but when it was free i tried it out to see what i been missing over the years. Granted i uninstalled shortly after 2 hours of gameplay. The game just wasnt for me no harm no foul..but since its free if i ever want to give it another go i can.

I dont know if Eve could pull off the f2p with premium account type of mmorpg. Maybe CCP shot itself in the foot with the whole time equal skill type of leveling. Feel free to comment to possibly come up with an idea on how to make it work or reason why it could never work.
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#2 - 2011-12-06 05:23:58 UTC
Never going to happen. Their income would drop and they'll be forced to start selling items and ships for money (like all the other free to play mmo's.)

Point of fact, if your proposal was ever made real, I will have one paid account and around 50 free alt accounts for research and trade purposes instead of 3-5 paid alts.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-06 05:25:26 UTC
nah

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Donald MacRury
LankTech
#4 - 2011-12-06 05:25:33 UTC
Why would eve need to go free to play. If you don't want to pay a sub then grind some isk and buy a plex.
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-12-06 05:26:10 UTC
i would drop all my accounts and just have 10 free ones doing very specific things.

Horrible idea

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-06 05:26:41 UTC
Maybe they would lose their entire current playerbase and have their fish factory HQ invaded by octopi in mech suits

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SmashTech
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-12-06 05:27:29 UTC
This thread is dumb and you are dumb.
Bayushi Tamago
Sect of the Crimson Eisa
#8 - 2011-12-06 05:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Bayushi Tamago
Honestly, don't look at it as 'How can the f2p people get screwed', but as how can the paying people get more than the non-paying people. Don't take things away from current players who are only unsubbed due to isk, make it so that people who can pay get double training speed or other perks.

But honestly, it is a pretty stupid idea monetraily from CCP's pov
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-06 05:32:19 UTC
f2p mmos are dumb and this game will lose plenty of those "premium" accounts if that happens just saying

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Hulk Basher
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-06 05:36:21 UTC
Eve's weakness is lack of hats.
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#11 - 2011-12-06 05:43:49 UTC
Andski wrote:
f2p mmos are dumb and this game will lose plenty of those "premium" accounts if that happens just saying



Dust 514 Anyone?
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#12 - 2011-12-06 07:22:02 UTC
Now, now quit shoving.

There are enough torches and pitchforks for everyone.
Valei Khurelem
#13 - 2011-12-06 07:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
free to play just simply doesn't work, not only is it a scam type business model frankly it ruins the balance of gameplay if EVE went free to play all that would happen is the losers who spent the most money would win, not the most tactically apt, not the most clever and not the ones who understood the game mechanics the most.

It's getting to the point now where we even have DLCs in standard MULTIPLAYER games being sold that offer you overpowered items and it sickens me but they even have the balls to try and sell you crappy blood animations etc. as seen in Shogun 2. This is an insult to gaming and if CCP want EVE Online to not just survive but to flourish they should never ever go down this route.

The only time I think it is only slightly reasonable to have DLCs and items for sale is in singleplayer games, but even then not only do a lot of the DLCs and items make very little sense to the game after you've bought it, but they also tend to have nothing to do with the game itself or add on to the price of the game when you have already paid for the full thing.

People who want a game to play do not play Free to play games or use DLC content.

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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-12-06 07:41:27 UTC
I am sorry, but...



No.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#15 - 2011-12-06 07:55:05 UTC
No becuase this will create segeration in the eve community

Also play to win isnt my idea of fair.

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Belidos Goveko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-12-06 07:58:17 UTC
Have to dissagree with the premise that goign F2P would make less money for CCP, i know many people who play LotRO, AoC and DCU on F2P simply because there are so many F2P mmo's now that they can't justify paying a monthly subscription, yet in the end it works out they actually pay more monthly because they buy bits and pieces from the game stores throughout the month.

That is the trend with F2P MmO's at the moment, peopel think they're saving money but they're infact being coerced into paying more by offering content at what appears to be low prices when infact over time it costs more.
Lexmana
#17 - 2011-12-06 08:03:42 UTC
The community would go berserk. Trust me.
The economy that is the heart of EVE would become pointless.

And why would we want "tons of new players"?

EVE is a different game that needs time and dedication from its players to properly function These "tons of new players" you talk about are just a bunch of kids with an attention span less than a youtube video. What would they add to EVE?
Belidos Goveko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-12-06 08:04:18 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
No becuase this will create segeration in the eve community

Also play to win isnt my idea of fair.



I'm not advocating EVE going F2P, but this last statement although in one context is correct (P2W is unfair) in the general context of F2P is out of that context. Using and old internet meme ..

F2P=/=P2W

Free to play is completely different to Pay to win. If a F2P MmO is done preoperly there is nothing you can buy that will give you an advantage over others.

Take LotRO for example, there are no items (at least there wasn't any when i was playing) in the store that can give you a significant advantage over other players, there were minor stat enhancements and xp increases but they were very cheap, very limited and alternatives could be achieved by doing content in the game. The rest was all fluf like different styles of mounts and various wardrobe items.
Lexmana
#19 - 2011-12-06 08:10:07 UTC
Belidos Goveko wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
No becuase this will create segeration in the eve community

Also play to win isnt my idea of fair.



I'm not advocating EVE going F2P, but this last statement although in one context is correct (P2W is unfair) in the general context of F2P is out of that context. Using and old internet meme ..

F2P=/=P2W

Free to play is completely different to Pay to win. If a F2P MmO is done preoperly there is nothing you can buy that will give you an advantage over others.

Take LotRO for example, there are no items (at least there wasn't any when i was playing) in the store that can give you a significant advantage over other players, there were minor stat enhancements and xp increases but they were very cheap, very limited and alternatives could be achieved by doing content in the game. The rest was all fluf like different styles of mounts and various wardrobe items.




We already have "fluff" for $$ in EVE. And there is NO way they could make EVE F2P without P2W and still rake in 350k*$15.

Don't even think about it. It is stupid.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-12-06 08:12:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagdul
lol@ people saying no.

EVE is already F2P, it's just never been labeled as such.


F2P: Get a trial > grind up isk for plex > purchase and apply plex (making account a "paid" account") > always pay for account with plex.

Cash store: Buy GTC > Turn GTC into isk > buy what you want on the player run market.


for people who say it can't be done:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1253240&page=1#1

^^ That's me.

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