Warfare & Tactics

Sentries only agress when they see an act that gives a flag now.

If you warp off and back again you won't be targets by the sentries if you engage your victim again. If you engage a new victim you will get another flag and they will open up on you.

Crimewatch 2 yay for low sec!

True enough, and my first answer to pretty much all overview issues is generally the settings are borked so recheck them.

If all is as it should be then grab a screen shot or two and send in a ticket.

To add details and re-iterate:

Two people saw this happen twice in a row (that is, the aggressor engaging in front of sentries, leave, and warp back in losing the 'suspect' flag). If it was overview settings, it was an anomaly that affected two people at the same time, twice, but no more.

And there was no 'Limited engagement' timer as the aggressed never attacked the aggressor, yet there was no 'suspect' or 'criminal' flagging.

Incorrect. You do not get a limited engagement when you aggress another player who is not flagged.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/introducing-the-new-and-improved-crimewatch/

"The personal-flags system tidies up a lot of problems with the old system, but still leaves us with a couple of cases that aren't covered. The main one is that a suspect can be freely attacked, but he has no way to defend himself from attack without committing further crimes. We want to ensure that a player always has a right to self-defense, even if he is A Bad Guy. To solve this, we still require a form of A-B flagging. However this will be heavily limited in application, and won't be propagated via assistance chains like the existing aggression flags are. This is where we introduce the concept of a Limited Engagement. An LE is between a pair of characters. (Always characters, not corps, alliances, factions or anything else). An LE gives each party a legal right to attack the other, without triggering any Legal flag. An LE is ACTIVE as long as offensive actions are on-going. Once offensive acts have stopped, it will begin to count down. Resuming hostilities will reset the timer. If the timer expires (probably 15 minutes but still TBC) then the LE is ended. An LE is created when character A attacks character B, and where B is globally-attackable due to being a Suspect, Criminal or Outlaw. This then allows B to defend himself against A. Like Criminal and Suspect flags, An LE is only effective in empire space. Assisting someone who is engaged in an LE will cause the assistor to receive a Suspect flag. This is to prevent neutral logistics interfering in ongoing combat without risk to themselves."


The sentry guns only fire when you commit an act which lowers your security status within 150km from the entity the guns are protecting. You don't get a second (or third) security hit for shooting the same person without a session change. So, warping off and back is not a session change, so you don't take a sec hit for shooting them again which means the guns won't fire on you again.


As far as the suspect flag, I'm suspecting it has something to do with your overview. They should stay flagged for 15 minutes.

File a bug then. I've never seen this happen and I kill neutrals on gates using the shoot/warp out/warp in mechanic everyday. I always have a suspect flag.

The flag is still there and active but doesnt show as a limited engagement from you to him only the other way around. You can still engage at will within 5 minutes.

One thing that i have noticed, if A shoots B then warps before the sentries land a shot, the sentries will agrees on A's return to field. So you must take one volley from sentries in order for this strategy to work.

I thought you got a LE flag whenever you engage or are engaged by another player? regardless of what flags are present for either party to ensure that everyone will always have the 'right to defend' themselves?

Ah there you go.

I'm used to being suspect/outlaw so was always the receiver of an LE when people 'aggressed' me.

It goes through a progressive stage of less safety as you come from hi-sec > low-sec > 0.0


This progression is perfectly fine. NPC/Concord/Gate Guns etc should have less effect as system security status is lower. It also helps to get you use to the idea of having less protection.