EVE General Discussion

I have no reason to assume he is more honest about what he says than anything anyone says

Being generally unpleasant for no reason isnt a thing I respect

But different people have different values, so you can respect that if you want, truthful or not

There are a special breed of players out there who truly believe that they are entitled to play EVE without being influenced by other players in any way shape or form. That is; what they really want is a single player game. These are usually miners, though not always. I would argue that Infinity Ziona was a pretty good example of a ninja missioner/PVPer who felt this way.

Ganking players with this kind of attitude is an education. The lesson to them is; this is a multiplayer game. Other players play this game at the same time as you. This is a sandbox game, which means things can be done to you against your will. It also means defense is your own responsibility.

Some learn, most don't. A few even realise that EVE is not the right game for them, and leave.

I have done it inadvertently, twice.

First time, was my first corp.

Second time, was my first official awox.

Both times, however, had nothing to do with ganking.

Both times had to do with me recruiting, while in corp, awaiting my kick.

For some reason, that really gets under someone's skin.

vOv

First guy wasn't a friend to his supposed RL friends.

Second guy threatened to plant explosives at CCP HQ...because "anarchy, nihilism, and terrorism" is "obviously what CCP stood for by allowing awoxers into corps."

And I have zero regrets over either of them. Because as long as their characters still exist, they still chance coming back to EvE.

Only a biomass is a guaranteed win in that department.

As for Herzog's statements...

I do not believe I have ever heard any one of the "HS piracy" groups or players claim they play the game specifically grief someone out of the game. Even popping 100+ alpha pods in the Bonus Round, things like this were never mentioned.

Disbelief at a person's willful ignorance. Sure.

Wanting people to learn that EvE is not :srsbsns: Absolutely.

Sitting there and saying..."Well, alright gents, tonight we are going to make this guy quit EvE." Not even once. Ever. Not in BU. Not in MB. Not in the respective BR channels.

No, instead, it is for lolz about 80% of the time. The other 20%...cutting out the competition or wanting to make easy money. I would even break that into a 60/40 split part of the time. Just depends on the general mood of the community subsection.

So don't even go there, Herzog. To claim it "noble" that a person openly admits griefing players out of game, is wrong.

Because anyone who does "knowingly" try to remove players from EvE, is realistically only shooting themselves in the foot. Fewer players means less content, which in turn means less people to extract tears, or loot, or whatever from.

And calling people liars, who obviously are willing to stand by their positions, in about 293,744,923 threads like this that have popped up in the past year, is ludicrous. Unless, by some strange gift bestowed upon you by some random anomaly like a "God" or a radioactive meteorite, or some other crap....

You have no idea what any person's motives are.

So don't pretend to.

You do not have to have t2 fittings to mine. Tier one fittings on a procurer are sufficient to avoid ganks.

I was unaware that characters that train into mining barges are physically unable to train into shield upgrades, mechanics, shield operation etc etc. Or is it just that getting these skills takes all of a couple of days to get to IV on PVP characters somehow takes twice as long on a mining character?

This changes everything. CCP buff mining hulls please.


Also to Herzog; no most gankers do not actually want to drive players from the game. Why? Because we don't want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Or perhaps more accurately; we don't want to strangle the manbabies that cry the golden tears.

honestly if I was a ganker I would make sure I had ships and equipment on sale at the local station before I started ganking.

Bonus points if the miner notices that he bought a mining ship form the guy that ganked him.

Good post sir +1

I cant PvP (though I try lol) but I stand by everyone who wants to, but also every one who doesnt but is aware that it is the nature of this particular genre that you will get attacked someday. But I dont try to make people quit. I just fail to understand why some feel the need to "win" all the time. Losing sometimes is good for the soul.

But everyone ends up facing the wrong end of a blaster or bomb someday

Maybe not today

Maybe not tomorrow

But soon

And for the rest of your life

Oh good, another "why gank miners" thread.. Some of the responses have actually come tanalizingly close to answering the op's question. Some people will tell you it's for "tears"..others for "fun". neither is a real answer. There is more than one answer because people are not all the same.. but the reasons may be broken down and simplified as follows:

For Rollplay
For Political , Economic, or Reputation Bump
For Jealousy
For Revenge
To Satisfy a Sadistic Bullying or Serial Killing Urge

Interestingly though ganking exists in many other games, the only place suicide ganking exists besides EVE is real life.

By their own choice, a choice they make in what they know, one way or another, is a game in which surprise PVP is normal and expected.

Fair fights are boring.

I prefer the fights where I'm severely outnumbered and outgunned, completely solo...

And still manage to kill everything

Although usually I lose, but usually not without taking two or three down with me. Depends on a variety of factors. Once, when I was in TAXU, I jumped into a Nulli gatecamp in lowsec. They had a bit of everything, enough to kill my little Comet but not before I took down the nearby Firetail. Going out in a blaze of glory = just as fun as winning such a fight IMO.