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Ganking miners - What do you get from it?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#81 - 2014-06-21 21:43:54 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

I think you have quoted the wrong post there, hunny


no!


Sorry then youve lost me, Im not sure what you are getting at


Something about how we should be killing more bears.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#82 - 2014-06-21 21:47:29 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

I think you have quoted the wrong post there, hunny


no!


Sorry then youve lost me, Im not sure what you are getting at


Something about how we should be killing more bears.
I'm seriously thinking of coming back and joining in.

Not sure which corp would have me though. Lol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#83 - 2014-06-21 21:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Mag's wrote:

I'm seriously thinking of coming back and joining in.

Not sure which corp would have me though. Lol


Well my rules are;

1) Dont expect any corp memebers but me online

2) Be a McCandless

However, I hear that security checks are very weak in a lot of hate-bear corps these days

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#84 - 2014-06-21 21:52:30 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Thats content already given by CCP and not your problem.
No one talks about you enjoying other ppl, its about ppl that are unable to find the higher Joys of EvE and stick with Playergriefing.
CCP get to define what is and what is not griefing, you don't.

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You are proud of grief Players to unsubscribe?
Once again you don't get to define griefing, CCP do. If people can't handle playing in a PvP sandbox then they shouldn't play in a PvP sandbox, it's not like Eve is the only MMO in circulation.

Already running in circles.
Forcing Players to quit EvE is griefing.
And its not CCPs thing to redefine the common term Griefer.
Whatever: Surly CCP is not happy when some players force other players to play something else.

So in your Oppinion CCP has to decide what griefing is and you and other players decide which players should play eve?

Roll

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The strong preying on the weak is pretty much human nature in action.

Shooting miners dosn't make you strong. Lazyness is another human trade, a trade thats more a reason for "only-gankers".
To lazy to build hunting fleets.

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Maybe one didnt read my other posts.
I am not against ganking.
Your posting says otherwise. You certainly complain enough about it.[/quote]

No my posts don't say otherwise.
Either you missunderstand me or you deliberatly missinterpret me.
If minerganking is your main buisiness in EvE YOU are doing soimething wrong in EvE.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#85 - 2014-06-21 21:53:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cazador 64 wrote:
Hi sec gankers are every bit of a care bear as hi sec miners. I would go as far to say they are ever more care bear than the miner's, not only are they also hiding out in hi sec they are only targeting easy kills who can't shoot back.

Before I moved to WH space then later to null I would only look at miners if they were a war target.


Its not the gankers fault they don't shoot back, or fit a tank, or fly afk...

Ganking people is only as easy as people let it be.


FCON makes it easier & more amusing than it probably should be.


They need to step up their game, I think they are losing the "most lost ratting carriers" this month.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#86 - 2014-06-21 21:54:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Mag's wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

I think you have quoted the wrong post there, hunny


no!


Sorry then youve lost me, Im not sure what you are getting at


Something about how we should be killing more bears.
I'm seriously thinking of coming back and joining in.

Not sure which corp would have me though. Lol
You could be The United's diplomat to CODE., they don't care who you are as long as you're willing to make carebears explode and rage in local, something I don't see you having any qualms about.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#87 - 2014-06-21 21:57:25 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Lazyness is another human trade, a trade thats more a reason for "only-gankers".
To lazy to build hunting fleets.


Do you mean "trait"?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#88 - 2014-06-21 21:59:40 UTC
I have an exotic and terminal disease that can only be treated by carefully harvested care bear tears that are fortified by the goo in capsuleer pods. This special tear is hard to extract and generally must be done at the expense of the ship harvesting them. These tears are most abundant in high security space, although the quality of nullbear tears is much higher.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#89 - 2014-06-21 22:00:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mag's wrote:

I'm seriously thinking of coming back and joining in.

Not sure which corp would have me though. Lol


Well my rules are;

1) Dont expect any corp members but me online

2) Be a McCandless

However, I hear that security checks are very weak in a lot of hate-bear corps these days
Indeed security checks are weak in many carebear corps. Leading to them asking for yet more nerfs, with:-

*CCP please stop corp members from being able to shoot each other*

Great corp name btw. Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#90 - 2014-06-21 22:01:43 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I'm seriously thinking of coming back and joining in.

Not sure which corp would have me though. Lol
You could be The United's diplomat to CODE., they don't care who you are as long as you're willing to make bears explode and rage in local, something I don't see you having any qualms about.
That's food for thought, thanks bud.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-06-21 22:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

*chuckles* "the higher joys of EVE"? Mining? Are you nuts?

Obviously a concept to high for you to understand.


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Because there is such a thing as doing it wrong. Being afk in open space is doing it wrong. And since this is a sandbox, and I can do as I please within the rules of the game, I blow up other players.

No objection. Surprised?


"Eve is not about +permantly+ shooting the weakest."
Note the emphasis.
If you do nothing else, you are doing it wrong.

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EVE is a sandbox. It's about whatever I want it to be about. And for me, it's about blowing people up. It just makes it easier that so many of them refuse to do anything to defend themselves.

They play how they like it, so what. They might be ganked for that.

Quote:
Quote:

I am not against ganking.


That's not true from where I'm standing.

trying to UNDER stand would help.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#92 - 2014-06-21 22:04:55 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Lazyness is another human trade, a trade thats more a reason for "only-gankers".
To lazy to build hunting fleets.


Do you mean "trait"?


Yes.
Got lost in translation

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#93 - 2014-06-21 22:06:30 UTC
Mag's wrote:


Great corp name btw. Big smile


Thank you :)

It was Ma'Baker McCandless' idea, I can't take the credit

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#94 - 2014-06-21 22:07:18 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Lazyness is another human trade, a trade thats more a reason for "only-gankers".
To lazy to build hunting fleets.


Do you mean "trait"?


Yes.
Got lost in translation


No problem

So anyway, back to what I was asking

I don't know what shooting a bear has to do with EvE, can you tell me please?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#95 - 2014-06-21 22:08:10 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Already running in circles.
Forcing Players to quit EvE is griefing.
And its not CCPs thing to redefine the common term Griefer.
Whatever: Surly CCP is not happy when some players force other players to play something else.


So far only one person in this thread has stated that his sole intention for ganking is to gank people until they quit the game. A common misconception is that this is the standard attitude among gankers. Do you honestly think that we would intentionally try to destroy a game that we actually enjoy playing?

In terms of griefing in EVE, only CCP's definition of the word holds any weight at all & only CCP can decide when a particular act has been taken too far, until then you're just arguing semantics.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#96 - 2014-06-21 22:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
La Rynx wrote:
...Forcing Players to quit EvE is griefing... ...Whatever: Surly CCP is not happy when some players force other players to play something else.

So in your Opinion CCP has to decide what griefing is and you and other players decide which players should play eve?

Forced is probably not the best choice of words, since nothing that is done is EvE, forces anyone else to do anything.

Everything we do in the game, including the decision to continue to play or not, is a choice, not a forced action.

Players who chose to quit rather than adjust to the environment, probably made the right decision for them; and also possibly made the right decision for the game. Hopefully they come back at some point in the future with the ability to accept the harshness of the environment.

As to the issue of griefing, CCP have defined what grief play is in the context of EvE. They haven't tried to redefine the meaning for other games, however EvE is not like many other games. It's heavily driven by conflict between players and the ability of anyone to interact with anyone else.

So while griefer is an often used in the forum, in the context of EvE it doesn't apply in the same way as elsewhere. There is a clear policy from CCP on griefing and ganking is not griefing, it's just gameplay.
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2014-06-21 22:14:02 UTC
Ganking is a tool to teach miners how not to fit a ship, how to act in a pvp game, and how not to talk about your powerful friends in nullsec.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#98 - 2014-06-21 22:14:02 UTC
La Rynx wrote:


Eve is not about +permantly+ shooting the weakest.



Yes it is.

It always has been.

From Sov-level warfare, to a roaming gang.

People go for the weakest, in all areas of space. The cloaker hunts ratters. The gatecamping low-seccers link up for max scan res, and pop, pop, pop. Or sit around gates with smartbombs. And in highsec you have the corp thieves, the heist guys, and the gankers...who feed on carebears.

But it is not a matter of shooting the weakest. It is a matter of not learning and continuing to be the weakest.

Why can't carebears who literally live an existence of self-masochism, never solving their sole problems in game, not grasp this?

Why do they come to the forums, ranting, causing unnecessary changes, that will only end in the Trammelization of HS, or it's blatant non-existence?

Why do they scream, yell, and stomp their feet when their barge with ORE Miners and DS tank mods gets popped?

Or the missioneers whose unnecessarily over-blinged ships can pay for 6-12 months of my game time?

Why can these people not grasp why they are being popped?

Could it be...

That they, themselves, have made it to where they are permanently the weakest?

Y'know...

Food for thought. Hard, I know.

Shocked







Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#99 - 2014-06-21 22:14:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
La Rynx wrote:

And its not CCPs thing to redefine the common term Griefer.
When it comes to their intellectual property, yes CCP are the only people that get to define griefing, they are on record as saying that things considered griefing in other games are legitimate gameplay in Eve

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Whatever: Surly CCP is not happy when some players force other players to play something else.
CCP know that they lose players due to the nature of Eve, they knew it on launch, and they still know it. Eve is a niche game, as such it's not designed to appeal to the masses.

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So in your Oppinion CCP has to decide what griefing is and you and other players decide which players should play eve?
At the risk of repeating myself, yes to the first part, it's their IP, their rules, their definitions. With regards to the second part, I don't gank, haven't done so in 18 months. I shoot at NPCs, I mine, I sell stuff, in short I'm a bear and just as a bear has teeth and claws, I have the internet spaceships equivalent, big firkin guns.

What I am not is a carebear who screams and shouts for game mechanics to be altered to suit me, I know that I'm playing a PvP game, as such I take steps to protect myself from others, by not being obvious prey.

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Shooting miners dosn't make you strong. Lazyness is another human trade, a trade thats more a reason for "only-gankers".
To lazy to build hunting fleets.
I never said that shooting miners makes you strong, what I actually said was:

"If the weak could be bothered to take precautions against getting shot and use the tools available to them, which incidentally is a good example of how to play Eve, they wouldn't get shot"

Miners choosing to be weak is their problem, they have the exact same tools as the gankers, they choose not to use them and be weak.

A group of people who coordinate to hunt others in a spaceship game with underwater physics are by definition a fleet Roll

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No my posts don't say otherwise.
Either you missunderstand me or you deliberatly missinterpret me.
If minerganking is your main buisiness in EvE YOU are doing soimething wrong in EvE.
Firstly, I can read and comprehend just fine thanks, your posts have a very definite anti-ganker slant to them, I'm not alone in interpreting them that way.

Secondly, miner ganking isn't my main business in Eve, as I stated above I don't gank, I bear it up like a mofo, I may have to reconsider that again someday.

My main business in Eve is to have fun, and no I'm not doing it wrong.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Iain Cariaba
#100 - 2014-06-21 22:28:21 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
If minerganking is your main buisiness in EvE YOU are doing soimething wrong in EvE.

What, exactly, is wrong with miner ganking? Every miner has a choice between mining in safety or mining for max profit. If a miner mines for max profit, than he should expect to be ganked. On the otherhand, if a miner mines in safety, than he doesn't have to continually replace expensive mining barges and exhumers, so makes more isk in the long run.

As for anyone making another player quit because they got ganked, if a player cannot come to grips with the fact that they are a target any time they are undocked, then they are not cut out for EvE. Remember the quote by one of CCP's big wigs, can't remember which one, when he said the following:

EvE is not meant to resemble a cold, harsh, cruel world. It is meant to be a cold, harsh, cruel world.

Trying to make it anything else just detracts from the fact that, with very few exceptions, there is no wrong in Eve.

La Rynx wrote:
I am not against ganking.

Your above quote says otherwise.