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Ganking miners - What do you get from it?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2014-06-21 14:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Intar Medris wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Silky Cyno wrote:
Some people like real fights Vs people that shoot back, some people shoot miners.

Miners have the tools to shoot back, their drone bays aren't restricted to mining drones. Most choose not to, just as most of them choose to not fit their ships with a tank.

Choices have consequences.


5 Hobgoblin II drones aren't going to keep a Hulk from being blown to bits by even just one Gank fit Cat.
If you're flying a Hulk solo you're doing it wrong. It's a ship that is meant to be used in a fleet with other barges/ exhumers and an Orca, preferably fitted with shield harmonising links, in support; 5 drones might not do much good, 15+ will.

Personally I fly a Procurer with a brick tank, DDAs and tackle, if people want to try and gank me while I'm mining, it's going to hurt their wallets considerably more than it hurts mine, and they'll need to bring several friends. Odds are Concord will drop the doughnuts, answer the blap-phone and wtfbbqpwn them before I'm into structure Big smile

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Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#22 - 2014-06-21 14:21:37 UTC
Silky Cyno wrote:
Some people like real fights Vs people that shoot back, some people shoot miners.

Can't you like both?
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-06-21 14:24:08 UTC
Hra Neuvosto wrote:
Silky Cyno wrote:
Some people like real fights Vs people that shoot back, some people shoot miners.

Can't you like both?


Would that make you bi-gankual ?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#24 - 2014-06-21 14:31:16 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Hra Neuvosto wrote:
Silky Cyno wrote:
Some people like real fights Vs people that shoot back, some people shoot miners.

Can't you like both?


Would that make you bi-gankual ?


Shhh its a sub-text

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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#25 - 2014-06-21 15:34:37 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I support it because it teaches people to use safe Standards and Practices when operating a space vehicle in High Sec



I do not mine and never have.


BUT if I did there is no way I would be stupid enough to tank a mining barge. You would probably have to lose a barge every 2 days to make up for the lost income the tank causes.



Sensibly miners are better off just counting barge replacement as one of the "costs" and ignoring tank.


With the slight boost to the Hulk's CPU you can fit a Invul Field II, and keep your 2 MLU IIs.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2014-06-21 15:45:56 UTC
Sometimes deadspace loot...

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#27 - 2014-06-21 15:47:11 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I support it because it teaches people to use safe Standards and Practices when operating a space vehicle in High Sec



I do not mine and never have.

BUT if I did there is no way I would be stupid enough to tank a mining barge. You would probably have to lose a barge every 2 days to make up for the lost income the tank causes.


Your maths are somewhat lacking

So..... you think you gain an extra 200m+ for a few hours mining each two days in exchange for a low slot and and medium slots you cant use to increase your yield with anyway?

Yeah, you are right

Youve never High Sec mined.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2014-06-21 16:09:04 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Silky Cyno wrote:
Some people like real fights Vs people that shoot back, some people shoot miners.

Miners have the tools to shoot back, their drone bays aren't restricted to mining drones. Most choose not to, just as most of them choose to not fit their ships with a tank.

Choices have consequences.


5 Hobgoblin II drones aren't going to keep a Hulk from being blown to bits by even just one Gank fit Cat.


5 ECM will.
Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-06-21 16:17:35 UTC
Hi sec gankers are every bit of a care bear as hi sec miners. I would go as far to say they are ever more care bear than the miner's, not only are they also hiding out in hi sec they are only targeting easy kills who can't shoot back.

Before I moved to WH space then later to null I would only look at miners if they were a war target.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2014-06-21 16:51:29 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:
Hi sec gankers are every bit of a care bear as hi sec miners. I would go as far to say they are ever more care bear than the miner's, not only are they also hiding out in hi sec they are only targeting easy kills who can't shoot back.

Before I moved to WH space then later to null I would only look at miners if they were a war target.


Its not the gankers fault they don't shoot back, or fit a tank, or fly afk...

Ganking people is only as easy as people let it be.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-06-21 16:52:05 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I support it because it teaches people to use safe Standards and Practices when operating a space vehicle in High Sec



I do not mine and never have.


BUT if I did there is no way I would be stupid enough to tank a mining barge. You would probably have to lose a barge every 2 days to make up for the lost income the tank causes.

Sensibly miners are better off just counting barge replacement as one of the "costs" and ignoring tank.

I only do this in a Retriever with ice. With anything in hisec (including hisec ice) or lowsec this is terrible advice.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#32 - 2014-06-21 16:57:29 UTC
Cazador 64 wrote:


Before I moved to WH space then later to null I would only look at miners if they were a war target.


wut

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#33 - 2014-06-21 17:07:47 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:

I do not like afk miners..


Now - I've heard of AFK cloakers, AFK haulers and even AFK missioners - but AFK miners that's a new one.

What do they do - make sure the rocks don't undock? Or maybe PRESERVE the rocks by just sitting there and not engaging.

This is puzzlement....

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#34 - 2014-06-21 17:09:09 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Anomaly One wrote:

I do not like afk miners..


Now - I've heard of AFK cloakers, AFK haulers and even AFK missioners - but AFK miners that's a new one.

What do they do - make sure the rocks don't undock? Or maybe PRESERVE the rocks by just sitting there and not engaging.

This is puzzlement....


Are you simple?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2014-06-21 17:10:43 UTC
Customers and demand.

That aside…
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
What confuses me is why so many do it.
Are there really that many, though?
Maekchu
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-06-21 17:55:49 UTC
Tears...
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-06-21 17:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Klandi wrote:
Anomaly One wrote:

I do not like afk miners..


Now - I've heard of AFK cloakers, AFK haulers and even AFK missioners - but AFK miners that's a new one.

What do they do - make sure the rocks don't undock? Or maybe PRESERVE the rocks by just sitting there and not engaging.

This is puzzlement....
I'll explain it in easy steps for you

  1. Undock
  2. Warp to belt
  3. Target asteroids
  4. Activate strip miners
  5. Leave computer and do something elsewhere
  6. Come back X minutes later to full ore bay
  7. Dock
  8. Empty ore bay
  9. Go to 1


TL;DR Push button and receive bacon for zero effort.

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Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-06-21 17:57:58 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Cazador 64 wrote:


Before I moved to WH space then later to null I would only look at miners if they were a war target.


wut

OK it seems you have trouble with compression. Don't know what you didn't understand but let me try some clarification.

Once upon a time I lived in hi sec, during my time in hi sec, before I moved out of hi sec to wormhole space and after that I moved to null sec.
I never took part in ganking a miner, the only time I would kill a miner in hi sec would be if that pilot was in a corporation that my corporation was at war with.

I never got jollys out of ganking miners who would not have the dps with drones to kill me.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#39 - 2014-06-21 18:00:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Cazador 64 wrote:

OK it seems you have trouble with compression.


lol seriously

Did you hit your head this morning or what

Also, you dont even seem to comprehend (as in "comprehension") what I was wutting at.

You are a funny little man

We can be friends now

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#40 - 2014-06-21 18:12:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
The joy of placing their smiling faces into my address book, waiting for them to log in, and ganking them over and over until they stop logging in. I have quite an impressive collection of dead subscriptions. My personal FU to CCP, as i believe they are beyond saving. Their conduct regarding Erotica1's banning came pretty close to motivating me to start up again, if I didn't have other pressures on my time....

If gankers want to impact CCP's bottom line and retention rate, they should NEVER unsubscribe, but instead use their resources to make carebears unsub instead. Has a much greater impact, and I smile inwardly when I see another thread about layoffs.
In this regard, I differ from Ero1 and CODE, who really just want to have fun and save bears from dull gameplay.
I'd rather carebears are just exterminated entirely.