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Mining Permits for freighters.

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Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2014-06-20 15:07:45 UTC
The sense of entitlement of these freighter pilots is beyond absurd. Eve is not some theme park where you are completely safe from harm at all times - just like the real world is never completely safe.

If you are some carebear freighter pilot that thinks they are entitled to autopilot through all of high sec without the danger of losing your ship, you do not understand eve.

If you wish to play a game where you can run around recklessly without any danger of pvp, you should go play WoW. Stop your entitled whining and begging, and play eve as it is meant to be played - with a sense of danger and excitement. Everyone is sick and tired of your constant groveling at the feet of CCP for nerfs to ganking. You are not guaranteed safety anywhere in high sec - that is the whole point of eve. You are never safe unless you are docked, and even then you are not safe from yourself (scams).

Stop whining. If you don't want to get ganked by CODE and lose billions, pay them 10m. Its a very simple and realistic protection racket, and we should all be impressed and proud that we play a game where an organization of this kind can exist and prosper. If you disagree, do something about it yourself instead of whining like an entitled brat.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#42 - 2014-06-20 17:56:32 UTC
Hmm so a bunch of people are running around hi sec with outlaw status. Sounds like targets to shoot at to me.Twisted

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-06-20 18:55:01 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
Hmm so a bunch of people are running around hi sec with outlaw status. Sounds like targets to shoot at to me.Twisted



Let us know how that works out for you.

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Azov Rassau
Iron Destiny
#44 - 2014-06-20 19:44:30 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
Hmm so a bunch of people are running around hi sec with outlaw status. Sounds like targets to shoot at to me.Twisted


Let us know how that works out for you.

Not sure what that guy is talking about, but he reminded me of the fun trio that is tackle-skiff, long point and faction police.

There's actually a quite a numerous amount of outlaws flying in highsec. If you are very (like, Very) lucky, you can even catch some unaware outlaw battleship (I'm serious) especially in some secluded, empty, specific highsec systems used by outlaws as a "bridge" between lowsec regions. But just like any other form of highsec anti-piracy, it requires lots of patience. I remember waiting for like an hour and eventually an outlaw Cyclone had appeared...

It's "easy-kills" for sure, but who cares, it's fun. Smile

Intar Medris, concerning gankers, you can indeed catch them at gates on their way to a gank. it's another fun (and effective) way to disrupt their ganks.

enough off-topic, let's get back to the serious business that is mining permits for Freighters..

Radric Davids wrote:
The sense of entitlement of these freighter pilots is beyond absurd. Eve is not some theme park where you are completely safe from harm at all times - just like the real world is never completely safe.

If you are some carebear freighter pilot that thinks they are entitled to autopilot through all of high sec without the danger of losing your ship, you do not understand eve.

If you wish to play a game where you can run around recklessly without any danger of pvp, you should go play WoW. Stop your entitled whining and begging, and play eve as it is meant to be played - with a sense of danger and excitement. Everyone is sick and tired of your constant groveling at the feet of CCP for nerfs to ganking. You are not guaranteed safety anywhere in high sec - that is the whole point of eve. You are never safe unless you are docked, and even then you are not safe from yourself (scams).

Stop whining. [...] do something about it yourself instead of whining like an entitled brat.


^ Totally agree with this part of your post. I will add the stupidity of AFK freighter pilots who get the well-deserved gank and then start creating a pressure on CCP via some kind of lobbying to fix their safety and all. These peopleā€¦horrible. and dangerous for EVE (if they succeed. See: CONCORD buffs).

Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#45 - 2014-06-20 19:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Azov Rassau wrote:
I will add the stupidity of AFK freighter pilots who get the well-deserved gank and then start creating a pressure on CCP via some kind of lobbying to fix their safety and all. These peopleā€¦horrible. and dangerous for EVE (if they succeed. See: CONCORD buffs).
For an anti ganker you seem to be surprisingly level headed and realistic about the game, people like yourself that treat it as a bit of fun are much more acceptable than the usual rabid shitposters.

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Unknowen 1217B
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-06-21 01:01:35 UTC
You kids of the new world **** makes me rotflmao!!!
ElCholo
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-06-21 02:22:18 UTC
I really can't decide if I want to shoot blinkies because it's fun or if I want to help the blinkies because most carebears seem like a bunch of screaming sociopaths that really need their sandbox turned over. =x
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-06-21 04:10:43 UTC
I feel like CODE. posts are the equivalent to my Yorkshire Terrier puppy yapping away at the squirrel, just because he can.

Lots of bark, no bite.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Heinrich Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-06-21 08:57:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Heinrich Erquilenne
The only good reason to use autopilot is going back home with an empty ship with maybe 20 jumps to do.

The code will tell you that they're doing it to teach you a lesson. This couldn't be more wrong. They're not killing what's not profitable, unless their reputation is at stake (take it as an investment then). But if you fly a cheap and tanky freighter there's no reason they will ever attack you. It's like mining. Make a 90k eHP procurer and no one in the code will ever manage to destroy you, they'd need to spend 100M or more in ships and modules to take down a 20M ship you can buy within maybe 20 mins of mining. On the long run this isn't profitable for them, so just ignore them and fly cheap. They will never spend several millions to take down a 500k ISK empty freighter. Cool
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#50 - 2014-06-21 09:27:44 UTC
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
They will never spend several millions to take down a 500k ISK empty freighter. Cool
Surely you mean T1 Industrial?

If not WTB a Freighter for 500,000 ISK

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loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#51 - 2014-06-21 09:28:31 UTC
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
The only good reason to use autopilot is going back home with an empty ship with maybe 20 jumps to do.

The code will tell you that they're doing it to teach you a lesson. This couldn't be more wrong. They're not killing what's not profitable, unless their reputation is at stake (take it as an investment then). But if you fly a cheap and tanky freighter there's no reason they will ever attack you. It's like mining. Make a 90k eHP procurer and no one in the code will ever manage to destroy you, they'd need to spend 100M or more in ships and modules to take down a 20M ship you can buy within maybe 20 mins of mining. On the long run this isn't profitable for them, so just ignore them and fly cheap. They will never spend several millions to take down a 500k ISK empty freighter. Cool


I suggest you read up on the killboards. Yesterday a triple reenforced bulkhead fenrir died that was empty. Why? No mining permit.
Heinrich Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-06-21 09:58:33 UTC
loyalanon wrote:
I suggest you read up on the killboards. Yesterday a triple reenforced bulkhead fenrir died that was empty. Why? No mining permit.


That's just pointless bragging. It wouldn't be sustainable on the long run. One guy is just one guy. But keep lying about it, I will keep saying anecdotes aren't evidence. Big smile
Heinrich Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-06-21 10:02:51 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
They will never spend several millions to take down a 500k ISK empty freighter. Cool
Surely you mean T1 Industrial?

If not WTB a Freighter for 500,000 ISK


Most of the times people should fly that. A freighter is only required when you have to move vast amounts of ore. Also, last time I checked the obelisk could be fitted to get something like 300k eHPs. Which means something like 30 T2 catalysts to take it down before the concord stops the show. That's still profitable but the required manpower seems a bit huge considering that manually jumping from one gate to another makes someone virtually almost immune to anything in high sec.
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
#54 - 2014-06-21 10:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Zero Sum Gain
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
The only good reason to use autopilot is going back home with an empty ship with maybe 20 jumps to do.


I did that once. Came back to no ship and no implants and a mail about bot aspirant behavior.

Edit: I should clarify I don't give a rats ass and high sec being dangerous is fine with me. I just wouldn't suggest autopiloting.
Heinrich Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-06-21 10:47:30 UTC
Zero Sum Gain wrote:
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
The only good reason to use autopilot is going back home with an empty ship with maybe 20 jumps to do.


I did that once. Came back to no ship and no implants and a mail about bot aspirant behavior.


I wasn't talking about overly expensive ships, mind you. But you're right, it's risky. I do that all the time when I fly something cheap and don't want to suffer doing the jumps myself. But it's mostly with fits worth something like 2-3M at most. Which isn't a big loss if someone feels like losing an overly expensive ship to get some metal scraps.
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM
#56 - 2014-06-21 11:00:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Zero Sum Gain
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
Zero Sum Gain wrote:
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
The only good reason to use autopilot is going back home with an empty ship with maybe 20 jumps to do.


I did that once. Came back to no ship and no implants and a mail about bot aspirant behavior.


I wasn't talking about overly expensive ships, mind you. But you're right, it's risky. I do that all the time when I fly something cheap and don't want to suffer doing the jumps myself. But it's mostly with fits worth something like 2-3M at most. Which isn't a big loss if someone feels like losing an overly expensive ship to get some metal scraps.



It wasn't an expensive ship.

but in retrospect perhaps I should have gotten a solid passive tank ship & fit.
Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-06-21 11:10:58 UTC
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
I suggest you read up on the killboards. Yesterday a triple reenforced bulkhead fenrir died that was empty. Why? No mining permit.


That's just pointless bragging. It wouldn't be sustainable on the long run. One guy is just one guy. But keep lying about it, I will keep saying anecdotes aren't evidence. Big smile

Unsustainable for any entity if they weren't being donated billions a day.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.

Heinrich Erquilenne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-06-21 11:29:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Heinrich Erquilenne
Zero Sum Gain wrote:
It wasn't an expensive ship.

but in retrospect perhaps I should have gotten a solid passive tank ship & fit.


I'm using this to do some solo lvl 3 distribution missionning in lowsec. Not saying it's the best fit ever but it's quite sturdy and as long as you're not on autopilot you shouldn't be the most exciting target ever. Although I'm not promising anything, this fit is a lot safer in regards to the code's activities. Don't forget to use hornet drones, they will make you harder to be locked on. No need for dps drones. Consider them expandable, it's smart to have a couple of extra drones in your cargo hold. I've seen people dying because they didn't want to leave their drones behind... Not kidding. Roll

Having weapons equipped only increases the total value of the fit and isn't recommended.
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#59 - 2014-06-22 11:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: loyalanon
Ahost Gceo wrote:
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
I suggest you read up on the killboards. Yesterday a triple reenforced bulkhead fenrir died that was empty. Why? No mining permit.


That's just pointless bragging. It wouldn't be sustainable on the long run. One guy is just one guy. But keep lying about it, I will keep saying anecdotes aren't evidence. Big smile

Unsustainable for any entity if they weren't being donated billions a day.


I'm pretty sure the 3bil+ freighters dying everyday are donating enough to keep us going for a long time.
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#60 - 2014-06-22 11:28:16 UTC
Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
Zero Sum Gain wrote:
It wasn't an expensive ship.

but in retrospect perhaps I should have gotten a solid passive tank ship & fit.


I'm using this to do some solo lvl 3 distribution missionning in lowsec. Not saying it's the best fit ever but it's quite sturdy and as long as you're not on autopilot you shouldn't be the most exciting target ever. Although I'm not promising anything, this fit is a lot safer in regards to the code's activities. Don't forget to use hornet drones, they will make you harder to be locked on. No need for dps drones. Consider them expandable, it's smart to have a couple of extra drones in your cargo hold. I've seen people dying because they didn't want to leave their drones behind... Not kidding. Roll

Having weapons equipped only increases the total value of the fit and isn't recommended.


Don't forget a mining permit for that ship.