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Dear CCP; a quick word about ammo:

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2014-06-20 16:24:42 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Let's talk about Depleted Uranium ammo. As someone that happens to be a part of the nuclear power industry, I'm concerned about the public perception of nuclear power, fissile materials, and nuclear waste. I understand the description of DU ammunition in the game is supposed to be in good fun. However, those with no knowledge of what DU actually is may develop a skewed idea of the nuclear industry that could harm it in the long-term. Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment.

Depleted uranium is a byproduct of the production of nuclear fuel for use in both reactor cores and weapons. The majority of the mass fraction of DU is comprised of U-238, an isotope of uranium that has only trace radioactivity. It has an enormously long half-life, approximately 4.5 billion years, and thus exposure to DU is not dangerous from a radioactivity standpoint. You will not grow extra limbs, glow in the dark, or inherit superpowers from exposure to DU. The "humourous" quip in the description of DU ammunition in-game is in very poor taste. The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. But, aerosolization cannot occur in space.

Please consider updating the description of DU ammunition to be more scientifically accurate. Misinformation is toxic.

Thank you.


soooo you work in the nuclear power industry and don't like the description of an in game item that damn near no one ever reads to begin with?

I work in Law Enforcement, I should make an thread telling CCP how wrong their implementation of CONCORD is because they don't read you your Space-Miranda Rights before blowing up your ship........


You don't have any rights. They destroy the ship you used to commit a crime and that is all. They are not even arresting you anyway. They just shoot your ship to **** and then just tell people to move along and there is nothing to see there.
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2014-06-20 16:27:33 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Ill take my energy in cube form, thanks


Energon?

I knew it, Ramona is a Decepticon...
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#83 - 2014-06-20 16:50:03 UTC
Li Quiao wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Ill take my energy in cube form, thanks


Energon?

I knew it, Ramona is a Decepticon...


I dont have a panther and a condor in my chest though lol

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#84 - 2014-06-20 17:02:13 UTC
Not that everywhere has Miranda rights...

Woo! CSM XI!

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2014-06-20 17:05:28 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Misinformation is toxic.



Even Neil DeGrasse Tyson isn't this anal. It's only misinformation if it's stated as fact. Since it's a game, ie fictional, it's not being stated as fact, therefore it's not misinformation. It is, in fact, fiction, just like spaceships and warp drives.

But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw.


I agree completely. Molten salt thorium reactors are the best option.

Also, yay my first troll thread. :D

Please spare us the rest. 4/10

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#86 - 2014-06-20 17:08:02 UTC
OP is trolling correctly.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-06-20 17:12:51 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Not that everywhere has Miranda rights...


You ahve the right to remain silent.

Whatever you say could be held against you in "crime and punishement".

You may board another ship x minutes from now. If you cannot afford another ship, Pend insurance will provide you one.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-06-20 18:35:12 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment.

I'd say having nuclear power plants blow up now and then and causing entire areas to become uninhabitable has a much more deleterious effect than a humorous description in a video game.


Good ol' "Nuclear power is dangerous! It blows up and kills lots of people" fearmongering.

Energy Source Mortality Rate (deaths/trillionkWhr)

Coal – global average 170,000 (50% global electricity)

Coal – China 280,000 (75% China’s electricity)

Coal – U.S. 15,000 (44% U.S. electricity)

Oil 36,000 (36% of energy, 8% of electricity)

Natural Gas 4,000 (20% global electricity)

Biofuel/Biomass 24,000 (21% global energy)

Solar (rooftop) 440 (< 1% global electricity)

Wind 150 (~ 1% global electricity)

Hydro – global average 1,400 (15% global electricity)

Nuclear – global average 90 (17% global electricity w/Chern&Fukush)

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/

Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-06-20 18:39:14 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Not that everywhere has Miranda rights...


I too, think it's funny that people talk about space-miranda rights, when Miranda Rule is only in the United States, yet in EvE online, the United States does not have a noteworthy representation in any of the EvE races. Probably a very good bit of foresight considering the path the US is going down right now.
Zero Sum Gain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-06-20 18:41:54 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
stuff


soooo you work in the nuclear power industry and don't like the description of an in game item that damn near no one ever reads to begin with?

I work in Law Enforcement, I should make an thread telling CCP how wrong their implementation of CONCORD is because they don't read you your Space-Miranda Rights before blowing up your ship........


You have the right to exist in a vacuum. Anything you say can and will expel any oxygen remaining in your lungs. You have the right to simultaneously boil and freeze to death. If you chose to forgo this right, tough *******, it's gonna happen. Do you understand the rights I have just read to you?


You have the right to have a hard time hearing this in space.
Adolf Kaundur
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2014-06-20 18:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Adolf Kaundur
Rovinia wrote:
So you are concerned about Uranium ammunition getting a (even more) bad reputation? Roll

Original:
Medium Projectile Ammo. Very commonly used by Minmatar pilots, this ammo is incendiary and also has great penetration. Just be careful handling it unless you want to wake up with an extra toe on your forehead.

Corrected:
Medium Projectile Ammo. Very commonly used by Minmatar pilots, this ammo is incendiary and also has great penetration. Just be careful handling it unless you want to wake up with gulf war syndrome. May include but is not limited to: chronic fatigue/Headache, Memory problems, muscle pain, Diarrhea, Neurological problems, terminal tumors, respiratory problems, post-traumatic stress disorder, chronic multi-symptom illnesses, skin conditions and Arthritis.

I like the original better, it's a bit less depressing.


Wait- I thought GWS was caused consuming diet coke, and other artificially sweetened beverages affected by the extreme swings in temperature during it's transport and storage in the desert conditions...
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#92 - 2014-06-20 19:32:39 UTC
I've always thought Depleted Uranium ammo should have a 25% resist penetration against armor ships.

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ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#93 - 2014-06-20 20:03:43 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Also, yay my first troll thread. :D


Solid 9/10.

Would read again.

<3



Hah, just won 50mill cause of you.
Had a bet about witch dev had posted in the thread. ( like there was ever any doubt)

If anything, you have become even more of a forumwhore after becoming a dev P

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2014-06-20 21:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Mythrandier wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw.


This man gets it. Would also accept he3 fusion.

P-B11 fusion would be better. There's no terrestrial source of He-3, but there's plenty of B-11.

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#95 - 2014-06-20 22:02:26 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw.


This man gets it. Would also accept he3 fusion.

P-B11 fusion would be better. There's no terrestrial source of He-3, but there's plenty of B-11.

Thorium is better because.....y'know....it actually works in practice.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#96 - 2014-06-20 22:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
ArmyOfMe wrote:
Had a bet about witch dev had posted in the thread.

I think Falcon would technically be a warlock, not a witch.

You might have lost you bet afterall.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#97 - 2014-06-21 05:35:48 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Let's talk about Depleted Uranium ammo. As someone that happens to be a part of the nuclear power industry, I'm concerned about the public perception of nuclear power, fissile materials, and nuclear waste. I understand the description of DU ammunition in the game is supposed to be in good fun. However, those with no knowledge of what DU actually is may develop a skewed idea of the nuclear industry that could harm it in the long-term. Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment.

Depleted uranium is a byproduct of the production of nuclear fuel for use in both reactor cores and weapons. The majority of the mass fraction of DU is comprised of U-238, an isotope of uranium that has only trace radioactivity. It has an enormously long half-life, approximately 4.5 billion years, and thus exposure to DU is not dangerous from a radioactivity standpoint. You will not grow extra limbs, glow in the dark, or inherit superpowers from exposure to DU. The "humourous" quip in the description of DU ammunition in-game is in very poor taste. The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. But, aerosolization cannot occur in space.

Please consider updating the description of DU ammunition to be more scientifically accurate. Misinformation is toxic.

Thank you.




I know one of those guys who reads auras and stuff like that. He can put substances next to a person and see the effects. DU does some heinous stuff to your energy field. I would not wear anything made from it, that's for sure.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Lady Areola Fappington
#98 - 2014-06-21 06:04:17 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


soooo you work in the nuclear power industry and don't like the description of an in game item that damn near no one ever reads to begin with?

I work in Law Enforcement, I should make an thread telling CCP how wrong their implementation of CONCORD is because they don't read you your Space-Miranda Rights before blowing up your ship........



Space-Miranda rights are only required if you are going to be questioned by the spacepolice. Concord has never questioned me about my shenanigans!

YOu have the right to remain silent. Anything you think can and will be used against you.
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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#99 - 2014-06-21 08:08:47 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
ArmyOfMe wrote:
Had a bet about witch dev had posted in the thread.

I think Falcon would technically be a warlock, not a witch.

You might have lost you bet afterall.


You should read more of Falcon's postings
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#100 - 2014-06-21 10:58:37 UTC
Li Quiao wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Ill take my energy in cube form, thanks


Energon?

I knew it, Ramona is a Decepticon...


What? I thought you knew this already?

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