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The Difference between Unrighteous and Not Righteous.
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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#21 - 2014-06-19 15:53:29 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Then you should be quite familiar with the difference between education and indoctrination.

"Discipline". Yet again you equate the vicious and horrifying crimes of your nation to something commendable. Of course, as we all know "discipline" isn't achieved in civilized and proper ways in all other nations in New Eden. Oh wait, it is. Quite effectively. Perhaps you meant to say "blind obedience".


When I look at the other nations in New Eden I do not see 'quite effective' disciplining of their populations.

And no, education and indoctrination are more interlinked than you want to believe. You are the blind one if you think that schools outside the Empire are not also designed in a way as to mold students into what the society deems to be a productive and worthwhile citizen.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#22 - 2014-06-19 16:01:04 UTC
Molding and shaping does not require breaking. Of course, as one of the broken, I guess you're not going to be able to understand this. A slave will never be a productive and worthwhile citizen, in any comparable way to those shaped for a free society.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2014-06-19 17:31:36 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:

When I look at the other nations in New Eden I do not see 'quite effective' disciplining of their populations.


You should visit the State more often. We have 'incredibly effective' disciplining of our population.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#24 - 2014-06-19 17:46:44 UTC
At this point, I feel it is useful to consider the following statistics:

Number of people enslaved by the Church of the Crimson Saviour after refusing an Explanatory Leaflet: 0.

Number of people enslaved by the Theology Council after refusing the Scriptures: More than 0.


I think you'll agree that we at CTCS are winning this contest.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2014-06-19 18:08:37 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
At this point, I feel it is useful to consider the following statistics:

Number of people enslaved by the Church of the Crimson Saviour after refusing an Explanatory Leaflet: 0.

Number of people enslaved by the Theology Council after refusing the Scriptures: More than 0.


I think you'll agree that we at CTCS are winning this contest.


How many people were blooded, drained, lamed, or otherwise maimed and/or killed by the Church of the Crimson Saviour after refusing/accepting or not having been provided in the first place, an Explanatory Leaflet?
Anslo
Scope Works
#26 - 2014-06-19 18:16:22 UTC
AVA QUICKLY THE POPCORN

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#27 - 2014-06-19 20:22:49 UTC
*steak and beer*


screw popcorn.Big smile

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#28 - 2014-06-20 00:40:38 UTC
Anslo wrote:
AVA QUICKLY THE POPCORN


*passes*

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#29 - 2014-06-20 02:05:35 UTC
Professor Doctor Valate,

Please do your entire religion a favor and put Naupilus through the meatgrinder once or twice, to see if he is truly of stern enough stuff to be a Sani Sabik. As far as I can tell he's never been tested.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#30 - 2014-06-20 02:21:35 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:


Ah, and is the Book of Trials Scripture? The Theology Council says it is, but remember, the Theology Council are heretics.


You evidently consider some canonical Scripture to be Scripture, as you quote some in your original post.

I consider all of it to be Scripture, although wayward liberals have by means of interpolation, redaction, and other forms of editing caused some Scripture to be deformed, often by converting passages originally referring to blood sacrifice to something the liberals find less offensive. That reminds me, I had meant to prepare a sermon or lecture on this very point.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#31 - 2014-06-20 02:25:00 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Then you should be quite familiar with the difference between education and indoctrination.
...
Perhaps you meant to say "blind obedience".


As I have proclaimed many times: God demands obedience. He does not care one bit whether that obedience be given freely.
Zenariae
#32 - 2014-06-20 05:23:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenariae
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#33 - 2014-06-20 16:38:31 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:


Ah, and is the Book of Trials Scripture? The Theology Council says it is, but remember, the Theology Council are heretics.


You evidently consider some canonical Scripture to be Scripture, as you quote some in your original post.

I consider all of it to be Scripture, although wayward liberals have by means of interpolation, redaction, and other forms of editing caused some Scripture to be deformed, often by converting passages originally referring to blood sacrifice to something the liberals find less offensive. That reminds me, I had meant to prepare a sermon or lecture on this very point.


I see. Well then, I have identified the source of your confusion.

You see, not everything that the Theology Council says is Scripture is genuine, or has origins in genuine Scripture. While some may have been deformed by Council scribes, such as the Book of Reclaiming which includes in it some passages about the established social order - Emperor > Holders > Serfs, which of course contradicts the Apocryphon's message, which shows that part of the Book of Reclaiming is wrong, although other parts are not, then yes, that book requires careful reading by the Righteous, and yet, there are other books which must be rejected in their entirety, as they consist solely of Theology Council scribbles, without a single passage of True Word.

So, Nauplius, reject the False Books.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#34 - 2014-06-20 16:44:34 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
At this point, I feel it is useful to consider the following statistics:

Number of people enslaved by the Church of the Crimson Saviour after refusing an Explanatory Leaflet: 0.

Number of people enslaved by the Theology Council after refusing the Scriptures: More than 0.


I think you'll agree that we at CTCS are winning this contest.


How many people were blooded, drained, lamed, or otherwise maimed and/or killed by the Church of the Crimson Saviour after refusing/accepting or not having been provided in the first place, an Explanatory Leaflet?


Oooh, I recognise this bit !

This is the part where I laugh manically, twirl my hair, since as a woman, I have no moustache to twirl, such moustache-twirlyness is only for diabolical male villains, and say something profound like "As many as the stars themselves, wahahahahahaahahaaaaaa".

Your cunningly laid trap is obvious to the Righteous, such as myself, blessed by God to spot the trickery of the heretics, such as yourself. I don't mean this in an insulting way, Ms. Aspenstar, but you are a heretic. Please, repent and embrace the True Faith.

I will admit that as a capsuleer, I have fired upon ships that were attacking innocent Sani Sabik civilians, and there would undoubtedly have been casualties amongst the crew of those ships, who naturally, I was not really in a position to offer Explanatory Leaflets to.

Really, if the Imperial Navy would simply stop attacking innocent Sani Sabik civilians, including poor orphaned children, orphaned by the Imperial Navy no less, then things would be so much more peaceful.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#35 - 2014-06-20 17:30:44 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Then you should be quite familiar with the difference between education and indoctrination.
...
Perhaps you meant to say "blind obedience".


As I have proclaimed many times: God demands obedience. He does not care one bit whether that obedience be given freely.


Is he going to give me a spanking, then? There doesn't seem to be much weight behind those demands.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#36 - 2014-06-20 17:49:46 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Then you should be quite familiar with the difference between education and indoctrination.
...
Perhaps you meant to say "blind obedience".


As I have proclaimed many times: God demands obedience. He does not care one bit whether that obedience be given freely.


Is he going to give me a spanking, then? There doesn't seem to be much weight behind those demands.

Are you implying that spankings are a punishment? O.o

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#37 - 2014-06-20 17:51:18 UTC
Sssshhh.

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#38 - 2014-06-20 19:47:00 UTC
You know, Ms. Otsito, there is such a sect as the Cult of the Lash.

They believe that the amount of suffering in the universe is a finite amount, and thus, by inflicting a substantial amount of it on other people, there is less suffering around to be inflicted on the rest of the population, i.e. themselves.

That is, a Cultist of the Lash, would spank you most severely, in the hope that this action reduces the amount of suffering that they would encounter in their own life.

And you know what? Everyone except the Cult of the Lash consider that sort of thing a bit weird.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#39 - 2014-06-20 19:58:47 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
You know, Ms. Otsito, there is such a sect as the Cult of the Lash.

They believe that the amount of suffering in the universe is a finite amount, and thus, by inflicting a substantial amount of it on other people, there is less suffering around to be inflicted on the rest of the population, i.e. themselves.

That is, a Cultist of the Lash, would spank you most severely, in the hope that this action reduces the amount of suffering that they would encounter in their own life.

And you know what? Everyone except the Cult of the Lash consider that sort of thing a bit weird.

Not everyone, I do believe I saw a couple members of said cult operating out of a gallente pleasure hub... They seemed to be making quite the profit too.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#40 - 2014-06-20 20:13:42 UTC
Profit you say...

If you'll excuse me, I have to fire up a few search engines for research purposes.

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