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Wormhole class - where does the info originate?

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Minta Contha
Emergent Entity
#1 - 2011-12-06 04:58:01 UTC
All of us - like myself - who are well versed in the ways of Wormholes are aware of the six different classes (C1 to C6, in increasing level of toughness).
However, what I'd like to know is exactly how one determines the class level of a hole? If I enter an unknown system, I just look on Staticmapper or one of the other sites and it tells me what class it is. I am also aware that "unknown space" refers to C1-3, "dangerous unknown space" is 4&5 and "deadly unknown space" is C6, which makes C6 easy to distinguish, but where do Staticmapper and those other sites get their info on which of the lower classes is which? I have spent time in both C1 and C2 wormholes and they both had the same type of grav sites and anomalies show up in them. It wasn't easy to tell the difference, and I only knew what class they were from this already existing intel. Is there anything within Eve itself which tells you?

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Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#2 - 2011-12-06 05:00:44 UTC
What they do is pull the information from EVE's data dumps. Hope it helps.
Minta Contha
Emergent Entity
#3 - 2011-12-06 05:01:38 UTC
Where can I find these data dumps?

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Cherry Nobyl
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-12-06 05:28:47 UTC
VIP Ares
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-12-06 06:59:39 UTC
I still dont get why that info is not visible in game..

http://www.balex.info/index.php/pilot_detail/47623/

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#6 - 2011-12-06 14:28:50 UTC
Check this out:

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceClass1

Click through the different classes. Each class has unique anomalies, radar, and mag sites. I can immediately identify a wormhole class if there are any anomalies on scan.

Also, each class of wormhole produces a different type of wormhole. (Also, highsec, lowsec, and nullsec each produce their own wormhole classes) For example, if I enter a K162 from highsec and see an N110 on the other side, I know I've landed in a C1. An X702 will ALWAYS lead from highsec to a C3.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wormholes#Wormhole_Identification

That doesn't give you the origin points, I've been learning that as I explore.

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Minta Contha
Emergent Entity
#7 - 2011-12-06 18:53:11 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Check this out:

I can immediately identify a wormhole class if there are any anomalies on scan.


False claim. We had the same types of anomalies show up in our C1 and C2 holes.

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Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#8 - 2011-12-06 19:30:50 UTC
VIP Ares wrote:
I still dont get why that info is not visible in game..


It shouldn't be visible in that manner at all
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#9 - 2011-12-06 20:04:16 UTC
Minta Contha wrote:
False claim. We had the same types of anomalies show up in our C1 and C2 holes.


I've never seen this, and I suspect you are mistaken. *I* won't go so far as to call you a liar, though.

You can find multiple sources on major Eve sites listing the various sites for different classes. I've never before seen this information disputed and have always seen it supported in my own observations.

LADAR and Grav sites overlap. That might be where you're getting the idea that all of them do. But anomalies, radar, and magnetometric are unique to each class. After exploring hundreds of wormholes, I've NEVER seen a break to the pattern.

Here's another site with the same info:

http://www.ellatha.com/eve/news/93/Wormhole-Exploration-Sites

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VIP Ares
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-07 09:12:36 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
VIP Ares wrote:
I still dont get why that info is not visible in game..


It shouldn't be visible in that manner at all


If it shouldn't be visible, why is those data included in publicly available data exports (or at least it was)?

http://www.balex.info/index.php/pilot_detail/47623/

Hathrul
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2011-12-07 11:27:33 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
. A X702 will ALWAYS lead from highsec to a C3.

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actually it doesnt. it goes to c3. where it comes from is random

yes, there are many sites which will give you a lot of information about a system, but most of the information can easily be determined in game as well. The wormhole you pass through will indicate to what class you are going, with enough practice youll never be surprised to see in what class you land (except when, like me, you forget to turn off scan overview and just jump).

this gives you an overview of wormhole colours. class 1 and 2 are hard to tell apart initially. so are class 5 and 6 sometimes, but cl6 will be listed as Deadly Unknown. It seems the k-space connections are slightly changed in the patch. i found a 0sec connection last night and the wh was pitch black. pretty cool, but not sure if this was random or something more consistant. the show info will still tell you

the local effects are rather local. if you spend some time in wh space youll just see the local effect and know what it does and how that affects your ship or surroundings.

The static is the only thing you cant know when you jump in. there are plenty of sites that can give you this info and it can be near impossible to find it out on your own. this can only be done by living in a wormhole for a prolonged time
Vihura
Vihura Cor
#12 - 2011-12-07 16:34:01 UTC
Quote:
. It seems the k-space connections are slightly changed in the patch. i found a 0sec connection last night and the wh was pitch black.


It show color of space on opposite side of WH like lense.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#13 - 2011-12-07 17:28:43 UTC
VIP Ares wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
VIP Ares wrote:
I still dont get why that info is not visible in game..


It shouldn't be visible in that manner at all


If it shouldn't be visible, why is those data included in publicly available data exports (or at least it was)?


You missed my point. I'm saying CCP should not have allowed this information to be known. At all.
goose101
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-12-07 21:27:37 UTC
Even if they had not, after a year or so, do you think this player base would not have ranked them and found out concrete data on what is what in wormhole?
Malkev
Tribal Liberation Force
#15 - 2011-12-07 23:27:04 UTC
Minta Contha wrote:
False claim. We had the same types of anomalies show up in our C1 and C2 holes.

Question

C1 Anoms:
Perimeter Ambush Point
Perimeter Camp
Phase Catalyst Node
The Line

C2 Anoms:
Perimeter Checkpoint
Perimeter Hangar
The Ruins of Enclave Cohort 27
Sleeper Data Sanctuary
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#16 - 2011-12-07 23:59:24 UTC
goose101 wrote:
Even if they had not, after a year or so, do you think this player base would not have ranked them and found out concrete data on what is what in wormhole?


That would be perfectly fine, as it would be players doing the legwork. And it would mean a lot more mistakes.

The data that was insane was the recent Jump stuff. That was just stupid.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#17 - 2011-12-08 18:38:21 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
. A X702 will ALWAYS lead from highsec to a C3.

.



actually it doesnt. it goes to c3. where it comes from is random


Hate to argue with someone from Narwhals about wormholes, but I've never seen an X702 anywhere but in highsec. I don't have my spreadsheet on this computer, but I can tell you that every observation I've made on the behaviors of wormholes has been consistent. For example, N110s *always* spawn from C1 to highsec.

There might be certain classes of wormhole which are used in more than type of space (that or certain types never get links, as there aren't 81 types) But I've never seen any variance on those that I've observed.

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Celery Man
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2011-12-10 07:11:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Celery Man
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Minta Contha wrote:
False claim. We had the same types of anomalies show up in our C1 and C2 holes.


I've never seen this, and I suspect you are mistaken. *I* won't go so far as to call you a liar, though.



I'll go so far as call you a liar, purely because you seem very firm in your point of view that they do spawn across the 2 classes, which I haven't seen once in almost a year and a half of living in lower level wormholes. Screenshots or it didn't happen really.

I would be pleasantly surprised to be wrong though, as I'd love to mix it up with some of my current can do while pretty drunk anomalies with some can do while completely plastered anomalies.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#19 - 2011-12-10 17:38:02 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Hathrul wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
. A X702 will ALWAYS lead from highsec to a C3.

.



actually it doesnt. it goes to c3. where it comes from is random


Hate to argue with someone from Narwhals about wormholes, but I've never seen an X702 anywhere but in highsec. I don't have my spreadsheet on this computer, but I can tell you that every observation I've made on the behaviors of wormholes has been consistent. For example, N110s *always* spawn from C1 to highsec.

There might be certain classes of wormhole which are used in more than type of space (that or certain types never get links, as there aren't 81 types) But I've never seen any variance on those that I've observed.


I've seen lots of X702's from null inside a c3. Actually used to look forward to them.

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