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CCP Rise, what is next?

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Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#1 - 2014-06-20 17:55:57 UTC
Congrats on the pirate ship re-balance...seems to have gone over pretty well from what I can tell.

So what is next up on the plate? I would humbly suggest Recons get a pass over, but that is just my area of interest. Anyone else have requests?

If there is a roadmap somewhere, please point me to it. Thanks.

-K

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka

Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-06-20 18:24:51 UTC
shuttles
TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2014-06-20 18:56:07 UTC
Rowells wrote:
shuttles


where is my t2 version and meta levels of them?
Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#4 - 2014-06-20 18:56:58 UTC
Rowells wrote:
shuttles


Maybe you haven't logged in for awhile, but the Leopard was the balancing pass on those.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#5 - 2014-06-20 18:59:54 UTC
dnt understand why ppl make these threads

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-06-20 19:02:38 UTC
Shuttles require slots for a civilian only modules.

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#7 - 2014-06-20 20:04:43 UTC
Capital Industrial > Carrier > Super Carrier > Dreadnought > Titan > MISC

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#8 - 2014-06-20 20:06:40 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Shuttles require slots for a civilian only modules.

Supporting this.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-06-20 20:57:40 UTC
They need to fix the goddamn Black ops BS'S!
Saelem Black
Cog Banking
#10 - 2014-06-20 21:27:12 UTC
blackopsblackopsblackopsblackopsblackopsblackopsblackops
Joraa Starkmanir
Station Spinners United
#11 - 2014-06-20 23:18:28 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
dnt understand why ppl make these threads


Easy, it should be about time to let us know what they are looking at for the next patch.
Atleast if they want any feedback, but that may just end up beeing 100pages of why their ideas are bad and we dont want thatRoll
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#12 - 2014-06-20 23:40:03 UTC
they ask for feedback when they post the sticky genius.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Joraa Starkmanir
Station Spinners United
#13 - 2014-06-21 09:50:06 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
they ask for feedback when they post the sticky genius.


You mean those stickies that have yet to come up? With those we would not ask for whats next as we would already know...
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#14 - 2014-06-21 12:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
facepalm

Yes those stickies and dev blogs that come up when they are ready to announce whats next. So what does their absence suggest? Yes. That they are not ready to announce just yet. [clap]

Feel free to speculate amongst urselves, i know its fun. But dont expect CCP to chime in. They may not have yet decided whats going to make the Crius deadline. There is already a logi thread up if ppl want to make suggestions there. There are several T3 threads up. Theres a Recon thread up. There are Capital threads up. So what is this thread if not redundant or a needy ADHD 'are we there yet' thread?

And when they are ready to reveal, it probably wont be in this thread.

So back to my original point. I dnt know why ppl make these threads asking CCP to reveal things ahead of time.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#15 - 2014-06-21 12:46:30 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
dnt understand why ppl make these threads

Because we have Crius coming and the only information we have is on the items that were delayed from the previous expansion. Then another six weeks after that we have another update, and we have literally nothing on the board for feedback on anything for that update.

Considering the feedback loop seems to take about 2 months to do properly, 2-3 weeks for concept feedback, 2-3 weeks for Sisi round 1 and 2-3 weeks for Sisi round 2, we should be hearing about the post Crius update now to start to deliver useful feedback, not doing so makes me worry the new model will have a lot less input from players.
Joraa Starkmanir
Station Spinners United
#16 - 2014-06-21 12:46:47 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
facepalm

Yes those stickies and dev blogs that come up when they are ready to announce whats next. So what does their absence suggest? Yes. That they are not ready to announce just yet. [clap]

Feel free to speculate amongst urselves, i know its fun. But dont expect CCP to Chime in. They may not have yet decided whats going to make the Crius deadline. There is already a logi thread up if ppl want to make suggestions there. There are several T3 threads up. Theres a Recon thread up. There are Capital threads up. So what is this thread if not redundant or a needy ADHD 'are we there yet' thread?

So back to my original point. I dnt know why ppl make these threads asking CCP to reveal things ahead of time.


If CCP want feedback on what they do, we need time to give that feedback and feedback to possible changes they make based on our feedback. If nothing is revealed until patchnotes there is no time to give feedback, and its only 1month until the patch goes live. All we know so far is that industry was pushed back to the next release (the upcomming one) but we have no idea what else they are looking at or even if industry is actualy comming this time.

Devs should already know what ships they hope to balance inthe next patch, even if the changes are not set in stone.

Waiting to long means that we either dont have any say in changes, or get to choose from 2 diffrent outcomes with the 2nd revealed if we dissagree to strongly with the first. If it takes this long to come up with balancing changes, the last 2-3 weeks should be dedicated to make last changes based on input (input that also should take more than a day to gather, like 1-2 weeks)

This simple timetable indicate that 3-5weeks before patch, we should see some indication about WHAT they plan to balance and possibly what direction they want to take those ships/modules
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#17 - 2014-06-21 13:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Joraa Starkmanir wrote:


If CCP want feedback on what they do, we need time to give that feedback and feedback to possible changes they make based on our feedback. If nothing is revealed until patchnotes there is no time to give feedback, and its only 1month until the patch goes live.


So if they dnt have time, why do they have to rebalance ships in Crius at all? What makes u think ships must be rebalanced with every patch? If time is an issue, why cant they push the next rebalances to the next patch. isnt that the whole reason they changed to more smaller releases?

What makes u think they know exactly what they intend to do for Crius but are just withholding it from u? What makes u think they wont reveal it to u the moment it is good and ready to be revealed?

What is the point in these threads? What is this thread other than 'i want, and i want NOW!'?

Tell me what good comes from this thread.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#18 - 2014-06-21 13:15:14 UTC
Recon cruisers are next if they stick to the plan

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#19 - 2014-06-21 13:35:31 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:


Tell me what good comes from this thread.

CCP see that people are concerned their voices won't be heard, and give more clarity about each release six weeks out to allay those fears.
Such as 'At this point we intend for Crius to only be the industry changes as they are large enough we don't want to change anything else at the same time.'
Sure, that might change slightly if something else appears ahead of schedule. But it gives us the feedback that lets us know the only changes planned on the table we have access to the proposal and can give feedback.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#20 - 2014-06-21 16:22:09 UTC
What i understand even less than the OP is Nevyn and Joraa's need to give feedback on a release where even CCP may not know what its going to include.

This thread is about whats changing next, not what those changes will be and feedback for such. Re-read OP.

Stickies and dev blogs get released as and when they are ready to be released. Surely when CCP know whats going where and is ready for ur feedback there will be a sticky and/or a dev blog asking ur for feedback. For all we know they could be drafting a dev blog right now. Until such a time, they may not know whats going where and/or arent ready for ur feedback, but feel free to contribute the numerous existing threads concerning the rebalance of ships as yet un-rebalanced.

I believe u are making excuses for ur impatience. Ur fears are unfounded and probably not why u think u need to know what u actually don't yet need to know. There is nothing that suggests CCP will drop big ship changes on u without any chance for u to give feedback. CCP have shown on multiple occasions that if updates to their changes are needed and/or they believe they need more time they are willing to update and/or push back the release of features.

Rumor mongering over unfinished work is bad. Hence the hesitation to release unfinished work with phrases like 'at this time'.

TL:DR

still dnt get it.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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