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Omega Tron
Edge Dancers
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#21 - 2014-06-20 14:31:18 UTC
Interesting --


The NO commenters just offer their no's without much reasoning support. All though a couple do have some thoughts to consider.


CCP's marketing (My view) ---

Everyone's actions in the sand has consequences.


CCP Developers ---

No Comments? (That I can remember seeing)


My opinion ---

I think that any player actions, good or bad, should affect the player account. What action or to what degree or to what aspect of the account the results are applied is up to CCP game designers. Right now my view is that CCP Marketing and CCP Game Design are not on the same page when it comes to this aspect of EVE Online.

CCP's sand box is EVE Online.  The sand is owned by CCP.  We pay them a monthly fee to throw the sand at each other.  That is all that is here, so move along. Nothing more to be seen.
Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-06-20 14:31:37 UTC
Then I retract the silly idea about account wide consequence on the proviso that...

we get WIS back on track, so i can hunt down and shoot capsuleers in the head for shooting at my Impairior with my 1 tritanium cargo.

Pirate

*holds up doll* THERE, nasty man touched me THERE!Oops
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-06-20 14:35:18 UTC
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
So your 'Marauder' missioning alt logs in after another alt just chained suicide ganked a bunch of unfortunates.. and oh dear.. your security status rolled over account wide.. you undock and forget you're like -7..

Pretty sure your Marauder will look very tasty....Twisted

Not so dumb.

Consequences of being a toad on one alt you cant just log out and forget.

You don't seem to understand dual boxing and basic planning.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-06-20 14:38:55 UTC
Or my mission running toon which I use to fund PvP will have the fringe benefit of keeping a gank alt in status.....maybe it's not such a crap idea.

Of course...I hazard this was NOT your intended use....
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#25 - 2014-06-20 14:52:39 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
The account wide consequence for recycling suicide alts to circumvent security hits is warning, ban, ban and ban.

So I'd propose forming a GM team focusing on persecuting this, if it actually is a widespread issue that requires persecution with prejudice.

That's not what OP is implying.

Hes talking about -10 suicide alts on 1 account that don't affect the rest of the characters.

You are both wrong.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-06-20 14:53:41 UTC
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
Then I retract the silly idea about account wide consequence on the proviso that...

we get WIS back on track, so i can hunt down and shoot capsuleers in the head for shooting at my Impairior with my 1 tritanium cargo.

Pirate

*holds up doll* THERE, nasty man touched me THERE!Oops

If you weren't autopiloting I guarantee nobody would have shot your noob ship. Now smartbomb, maybe. I've been hit by a smartbomb in highsec before. I assure you such an event is accidental and can happen regardless of whether you're manually piloting. Always have some tank on a ship that you care about.
Iain Cariaba
#27 - 2014-06-20 15:35:38 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
The account wide consequence for recycling suicide alts to circumvent security hits is warning, ban, ban and ban.

So I'd propose forming a GM team focusing on persecuting this, if it actually is a widespread issue that requires persecution with prejudice.

That's not what OP is implying.

Hes talking about -10 suicide alts on 1 account that don't affect the rest of the characters.

You are both wrong.

A -10 suicide alt is not a throw-away alt as it takes a lot of pod kills to achieve that -10 status.

@OP, your suggestion has no value since pretty much any vet has the ability to fund not only a separate toon for ganking, but a whole seperate account for ganking if it is needed. Oh, wait... I already do that, so your suggestion would have zero effect on my ability to suicide gank.

If suicide ganking hurts you that much, perhaps this isn't the game for you.
Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-06-20 15:49:56 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:

If suicide ganking hurts you that much, perhaps this isn't the game for you.


Cry

A sad truth, possibly.
NearNihil
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
#29 - 2014-06-20 15:51:54 UTC
If the sec status would be account-wide, I'd make a suicide ganking alt in a heartbeat. Why? Because living in nullsec means that a) sec status means nothing and b) shooting rats there gets it back up pretty quickly anyway (interpret that as you will).
Iain Cariaba
#30 - 2014-06-20 16:05:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
NearNihil wrote:
If the sec status would be account-wide, I'd make a suicide ganking alt in a heartbeat. Why? Because living in nullsec means that a) sec status means nothing and b) shooting rats there gets it back up pretty quickly anyway (interpret that as you will).

Then, if you still have low sec status, it a matter of, 'Hey corpie with high sec status, buy this for me while you're in Jita.'

Achievement: Bypass to OP's suggestion without even needing to personally pay for a second account.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-06-20 17:00:10 UTC
if you are so certain its a throwaway alt report it. Get IP banned. Wins for everyone.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2014-06-20 17:11:49 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
As much as it would thoroughly inconvenience me, threads like this make me think "my god, highsec just needs to burn for a month straight".

Then people would have something to cry about.


If only people had the logistics and will to make this happen.


Even if we had the isk logistics and will, it cannot be done. It hasn't been possible to truely burn highsec for close to a decade now. Bears of today just don't know how good they have it these days.
Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-06-20 17:23:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
As much as it would thoroughly inconvenience me, threads like this make me think "my god, highsec just needs to burn for a month straight".

Then people would have something to cry about.


If only people had the logistics and will to make this happen.


Even if we had the isk logistics and will, it cannot be done. It hasn't been possible to truely burn highsec for close to a decade now. Bears of today just don't know how good they have it these days.


No kidding. Last few weeks of beta you could not get out if the station sometimes without someone shooting at you. Let alone trying to fly a few systems.

"Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you."
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-06-20 17:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: afkalt
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
As much as it would thoroughly inconvenience me, threads like this make me think "my god, highsec just needs to burn for a month straight".

Then people would have something to cry about.


If only people had the logistics and will to make this happen.


Even if we had the isk logistics and will, it cannot be done. It hasn't been possible to truely burn highsec for close to a decade now. Bears of today just don't know how good they have it these days.


No kidding. Last few weeks of beta you could not get out if the station sometimes without someone shooting at you. Let alone trying to fly a few systems.


Could you manage a week? If other large coalitions were involved too?

It is something which would be very worth setting side political differences for, for the period Smile

I don't see ALL of high sec being viable, but more hubs and chokes maybe.
Iain Cariaba
#35 - 2014-06-20 18:03:44 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Could you manage a week? If other large coalitions were involved too?

It is something which would be very worth setting side political differences for, for the period Smile

I suggested this very thing on one of the numerous nerf ganking threads.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#36 - 2014-06-20 18:16:00 UTC
Throwaway alts, alt recycling, etc, is a myth. Your entire premise is nonsense from the start.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-06-20 18:20:00 UTC
Great idea.

Starting a new F&I thread should result in an immediate public vote on whether or not all of the poster's characters should be forcibly biomassed as a consequence of their shiptoasting.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#38 - 2014-06-20 18:55:50 UTC
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#39 - 2014-06-20 21:53:40 UTC
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
-snip-

OP, are you related to this guy at all?

Also,
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
hmm

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ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#40 - 2014-06-21 12:34:49 UTC
Good Evening,

I have cleaned up this thread to remove off topic posts and personal attacks.

Although ganking is a controversial issue that divides players I ask that you please do not take frustrations out and direct them in an abusive way towards others.

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