Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The ESS idea was and is stupid.

The ESS 'scheme' gives you the wonderful choice of doing what is already the 2nd most stupidly dangerous form of PVE in all of EVE (killing rats in a site that requires zero scanning on the part of the hostile, the only pve more dangerous is Wormhole anomalies) and having an easy to acces loot pinata WITH A BEACON in your ratting system.....

OR just saying screw it and accepting a 5% nerf to the bounty of any npc you kill (yep, the same exact deadspace rat in high sec off all places will pay you 5% more when you kill it.....).

The idea that putting our ratting isk at risk will somehow spur fights is just as bad as CCPs idea that somehow nerfing anomalies in a game that has high sec mission and incursions + WH and faction warfare isk making activities would also lead to "more conflict in null sec".

Where it not for the 'work around' that players thought up (putting the ESS in a useless anom), the ESS would have done nothing but caused a rehash of the last anomalie nerfs. Oh , it would have spurred conflict alright, as null sec grunt pilots fired up their high sec incursion alts, stuffing fleets to the tipping point where groups like DIN and TVP and ISN would start contesting each other all the time (there are only so many incursion sites to go around), which of course results in one of those groups getting butt hurt and killing the incursion for everyone.

I'll call it the "CCP law of inverse consequences or something". Create structure to make null sec people fight, then watch high sec people fight each other because of it.

(Side note, I don't put ESS' in anoms, i sit a cyno toon in a maller on the ess and just hit share when someone comes in).

I don't bother with an ess, there more trouble then their worth.
the amount of people complaining about the way I defended my last ess was hilarious, everyone complaining and petitioning about using a game mechanic to put the ess 120km off of a fully armed pos, when ccp them self's state its a valid tactic.

one way or another, people will find ways of defening their ess's,
if ccp remove the options, less people will use them which will defeat the purpose of the modual, which is the opposite of what ccp want. Because of this, cry all you want, ccp wont change them

I'd like to ask why exactly we needed the ESS to begin with. CCP is going in all sorts of directions here, what with the new prevalence of bubble-immune Inty fleets and mindblowingly-******** ESS.

Real life analogy: If your boss came to you and said that you're getting a 5% pay reduction unless you install a biochip into your skull that sends (insert government spy agency of the month here) all your information, you'd tell him to take a long walk off a short pier.

You are saying the ESS was a great addittion to help smaller gangs?
Then I am sure you would agree that the ESS should NOT be anchorable in a fully spawned Complex, because that would make it impossible to raid it.

Yes, I had started another thread on that very Topic

Placing ESS in anomalies is an exploit that needs to be removed so that the ESS can play the role it was designed to do.

Because as a defender you cant just warp to the ess and cahse them off, right? and as the attacker, they can totally just justify bringing in a fleet large enough to take SOV to hang around long enough to take the ESS. Because its not the rats they are fighting for the ESS, its the easy 50+ man gang the defenders can field in response to whatever they put out.

With how it is right now, the ONLY time an attacker can take the ESS, is when the defenders dont bother to defend it themselves, and even then, they are still having to survive a whole anom in a hostile system. Sure, they can bring a gang with them to take out the sight and fight back against the defenders, but that same gang will have to go through multiple systems of intel just to get to the ESS, a response fleet, and then make it back OUT, all for a measly 1-2 hundred mil.

Basically as it is, its pointless to attack an ESS< which leaves it as little more than a passive buff mechanic to old bounties, if used at all.

And if one guy can just moonwalk a crow through an entire region and steal every ESS, why would anyone bother deploying them?

That's because their renters are retards. I screw with them all the time, and they couldn't ping with a DOS prompt and an instruction booklet.





Your available options are:

Either you can, and it's used, or you can't and it's not worth defending. And is therefore not used.

There'd be nothing to steal. Interceptors are so overpowered that it becomes far more effort that it's worth. I mean, you actually suggested that they put a sebo battleship on an ESS just to secure the stupid thing. Or, they can ignore it and put that pilot to use grinding another anom instead. I know which one I'd choose.

Especially since the guy guarding it is basically a free kill to anyone who comes along with a T3 or a cyno.

Yeah, why would Pirates who oppose CONCORD and the Empires allow something that promotes their being shot to remain in place? It would make sense for the ESS to have a unique flag that draw the attention of the NPCs if PCs are not around.


Edit: I still think the use of them on worm holes was genius. Too bad that was removed.