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Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-06-20 12:27:31 UTC
I love to throw the bird seed out, so expect this will no doubt ruffle some feathers.

HOWEVER, I think this suggestion will do a lot to improve the whole risk / consequences vs reward thing for people that wish to asshat about in high sec.

Due to lack of ability to do anything about suicide throw away alts.....

1) First and foremost, apply security status drops to account wide. I'm sick to the back teeth of infinite throw-away alts being used to feed main characters, with absolutely no consequence. If your alt sticks it to concord, then prepare all characters on the account to find standings hit the rocks.

2) ALSO raise the bio mass timer to 1 month to stop recycling alts materialising like there's no meaning to consequence.


o/ fly safe
Dally Lama
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-06-20 12:35:40 UTC
What about rich players who can just afford to PLEX another account?

In theory holding people accountable would be nice, but in reality it just creates a situation where staying anonymous costs a PLEX each month.

That might seem like a reasonable price to make "badies" pay, but consider that some of us make almost 10 billion ISK each month.

As such I fear It'll just benefit experienced veterans while further restricting newbros.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2014-06-20 12:49:29 UTC
The account wide consequence for recycling suicide alts to circumvent security hits is warning, ban, ban and ban.

So I'd propose forming a GM team focusing on persecuting this, if it actually is a widespread issue that requires persecution with prejudice.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#4 - 2014-06-20 12:54:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
Where is the 'NO' in all languages post when it is needed!

Well NO!

Don't even have to read the particulars to call this retar....

And recyicling alts is already prohibited by punishment of ban, if that should have come up.

And You grobabalolodisposablealt should be the first to be made accounted for this post and are the reason why this is still an issue.
Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-06-20 13:13:45 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Where is the 'NO' in all languages post when it is needed!

Well NO!

Don't even have to read the particulars to call this retar....

And recyicling alts is already prohibited by punishment of ban, if that should have come up.

And You grobabalolodisposibleatl should eb the first to be made accounted for this post and are the reason why this is still an issue.



:)

Avoiding in game reprisals by posing on anonymous alt Twisted

Ergo, suicide ganking in game using arbitrary alt avoiding concord reprisals... Sadly no mechanism to reprise suicide alts in game; hence my heart felt suggestion.

"Grrr goons" can do anything they want to inside the game; but cant stop 'faceless' npc alts posting to secure safety of other characters on said account within the forums. Roll

HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#6 - 2014-06-20 13:17:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Atomic Dove
Now the sec status of a suicide alt can be offset by a maurader missionrunning alt.

Snipped, Please refrain from making personal attacks - ISD Atomic Dove
Mag's
Azn Empire
#7 - 2014-06-20 13:20:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
If you have facts to back your assertion that people are recycling suicide gank alts, which is completely against the rules, then let CCP know about it.

I for one, grow tired of this ridiculous carebear claim.

Plus it's already an account wide consequence if found doing this. They ban you.

Also regarding the sec loss across the account. lol no. Please learn what RPG stands for, then see why it's a silly idea. As well as the fact that Piracy is within the rules and has been a part of Eve since day one.

If you want more consequences, then add them yourself.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-06-20 13:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Atomic Dove
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Now the sec status of a suicide alt can be offset by a maurader missionrunning alt.


Once your security status reaches -5 you are considered an outlaw and can be attacked by players anywhere without CONCORD intervention.

So your 'Marauder' missioning alt logs in after another alt just chained suicide ganked a bunch of unfortunates.. and oh dear.. your security status rolled over account wide.. you undock and forget you're like -7..

Pretty sure your Marauder will look very tasty....Twisted

Not so dumb.

Consequences of being a toad on one alt you cant just log out and forget.

Snipped Removed a deleted quote - ISD Atomic Dove
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#9 - 2014-06-20 13:26:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Atomic Dove
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
:)

Avoiding in game reprisals by posing on anonymous alt Twisted

Ergo, suicide ganking in game using arbitrary alt avoiding concord reprisals... Sadly no mechanism to reprise suicide alts in game; hence my heart felt suggestion.

"Grrr goons" can do anything they want to inside the game; but cant stop 'faceless' npc alts posting to secure safety of other characters on said account within the forums. Roll

Now this is something I can respond to.

Suicide ganking is a play style, not just a 5 min thing one uses if annoyed, but it might jsut appeasr to you like it if it took just 2 min to find and blow you up°°.
And if someone uses 10%, 30% or more then 50% of his/her gametime to roam in suicide ganking ships, its a normal alt, or even a main, and again, the disposable part already has been refuted. And go to the 'ganking in high sec' thread if this is raelly about ganking, don't diffuse the issue and sneak attack it.

And goons post here openly too, as well as this is my first char. so much for not having the 'balls' or fearing 'reprisal' its a pvp game, I can already be killed everywhere anyway, if someone needs an extra reason, good for him.

Not to mention that you are rather judging the messanger then the message by demanding the same consequences everywhere. Posting on a different toon might get the message heard, and no 10 year 200 SP char will make a bad suggestion good.

No go and cry a bit, this is ridiculous.

Grobalobobob Bob wrote:

Once your security status reaches -5 you are considered an outlaw and can be attacked by players anywhere without CONCORD intervention.
So your 'Marauder' missioning alt logs in after another alt just chained suicide ganked a bunch of unfortunates.. and oh dear.. your security status rolled over account wide.. you undock and forget you're like -7..

Pretty sure your Marauder will look very tasty....Twisted

Not so dumb.

Consequences of being a toad on one alt you cant just log out and forget.


Now I know you are just a troll trying violently to prove your point, so that we would agree that you should be punished just to say in the end: hey see, you agree with me, doesnt work, troll.
In case you are not that troll, there is a reson why you play with characters and not accounts. And why you can sell cahracters with all the social baggage that comes with it and why you can't recycle chars for SP. Its roleplaying one char, you are not roleplaying yourself, now leave this game.

Snipped, Please refrain from personal attacks - ISD Atomic Dove
Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-06-20 13:32:50 UTC
Mag's wrote:

Also regarding the sec loss across the account. lol no. Please learn what RPG stands for, then see why it's a silly idea. As well as the fact that Piracy is within the rules and has been a part of Eve since day one.
If you want more consequences, then add them yourself.


I agree - how does one reprise a suicide alt, hiding in a station without WIS to put a bullet in their head at point blank?

If eve provided a mechanism to facilitate a proper form of consequence for suiciding, i'll be all over it. As it is, carebears, or not, have basically zero power do do anything about cowardly alts doing arbitrary hit and runs. Even if they are caught and popped, you kill a worthless clone, and next to worthless ship, whilst utilizing the max amount of effort.

Now if you could pop that guys marauder, when he logs his carebear missioning alt.. THAT would be something worthy of a write-home.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#11 - 2014-06-20 13:36:03 UTC
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
Mag's wrote:

Also regarding the sec loss across the account. lol no. Please learn what RPG stands for, then see why it's a silly idea. As well as the fact that Piracy is within the rules and has been a part of Eve since day one.
If you want more consequences, then add them yourself.


I agree - how does one reprise a suicide alt, hiding in a station without WIS to put a bullet in their head at point blank?

If eve provided a mechanism to facilitate a proper form of consequence for suiciding, i'll be all over it. As it is, carebears, or not, have basically zero power do do anything about cowardly alts doing arbitrary hit and runs. Even if they are caught and popped, you kill a worthless clone, and next to worthless ship, whilst utilizing the max amount of effort.

Now if you could pop that guys marauder, when he logs his carebear missioning alt.. THAT would be something worthy of a write-home.
Well as most suicide alts are shootable on sight and have to leave the station to you know, suicide gank. Then asking me how one could add more consequences, seems like a rather daft question.

But then I have a feeling, you really didn't think this through at all anyway so.....

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Sato Page
Auctor Illuminatas Infinitum
#12 - 2014-06-20 13:40:04 UTC
Dear OP. Tell us on this doll where the awoxer touched you. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Dinsdale Pirannha for [u]CEO [/u]of [u]CCP[/u]

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#13 - 2014-06-20 13:41:35 UTC
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:


HOWEVER, I think this suggestion will do a lot to improve the whole risk / consequences vs reward thing for people that wish to asshat about in high sec.


This idea is bad from the start because it's based on emotion (hate in this case, namely hatred of suicide gankers). Emotions bad, reason good.

There are already penalties for doing the throw away alt thing. You don't make new solutions for something that is already dealt with.

Lastly, there is nothing wrong with being an 'asshat' in high sec so long as what the player is doing is 'legal' (ie within the game rules/EULA). "I don't like it so CCP should punish it" is (again) an emotional response, not a reasonable response that is demonstrating a real cause for changes.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-06-20 13:48:08 UTC
Sato Page wrote:
Dear OP. Tell us on this doll where the awoxer touched you. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


He put clothes on it obviously, and why is that doll human sized and very cold?
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-06-20 13:48:59 UTC
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
I love to throw the bird seed out, so expect this will no doubt ruffle some feathers.

HOWEVER, I think this suggestion will do a lot to improve the whole risk / consequences vs reward thing for people that wish to asshat about in high sec.

Due to lack of ability to do anything about suicide throw away alts.....

1) First and foremost, apply security status drops to account wide. I'm sick to the back teeth of infinite throw-away alts being used to feed main characters, with absolutely no consequence. If your alt sticks it to concord, then prepare all characters on the account to find standings hit the rocks.

2) ALSO raise the bio mass timer to 1 month to stop recycling alts materialising like there's no meaning to consequence.


o/ fly safe

Anybody biomassing negative sec status characters repeatedly is banned either temp or perm because this is explicitly an exploit. You're asking for what already exists.

Throwaway alts are a core part of EVE.

-1 to this entire thread and I hope it gets closed for being pointless.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#16 - 2014-06-20 13:56:14 UTC
As much as it would thoroughly inconvenience me, threads like this make me think "my god, highsec just needs to burn for a month straight".

Then people would have something to cry about.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-06-20 14:01:05 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
As much as it would thoroughly inconvenience me, threads like this make me think "my god, highsec just needs to burn for a month straight".

Then people would have something to cry about.


Not all of us hisec dwellers think it needs to be more safe etc. Having said that if hisec burnt for a month I would operate in covops and losec so probably not aimed at people like me. New pilots would be crippled though.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-06-20 14:09:35 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
As much as it would thoroughly inconvenience me, threads like this make me think "my god, highsec just needs to burn for a month straight".

Then people would have something to cry about.


If only people had the logistics and will to make this happen.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-06-20 14:15:41 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
As much as it would thoroughly inconvenience me, threads like this make me think "my god, highsec just needs to burn for a month straight".

Then people would have something to cry about.

Seeing threads like this one, I can see why some would just want highsec done away with entirely.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#20 - 2014-06-20 14:16:12 UTC
Well there goes twenty seconds of my life I'll never get back.

Bad idea.

Not supported.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law

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