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Dear CCP; a quick word about ammo:

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-06-20 11:41:39 UTC
Goswin Winters wrote:


You might have thousands of square kilometers to spare in the US and maybe radiation would help some of your rednecks to evolve into human beings, but over here in good ol' Europe I'd rather not have a baguette get stuck in the cooling system of a french reactor next door...



I live in Australia, not the US. I used the US as a reference because they are the best example of excellent and safe application of nuclear power, given that they've used it more than anyone else and have more plants than anyone else.

I think you'll find that nuclear power is very easy to be afraid of, and that fear drives a lot of the subjective validation that causes you to believe the misinformation spread by companies that want to squeeze every last dollar/euro/ruble they can out of fossil fuels. I'm afraid, though, that what you want is irrelevant to what we need, so you'd better brush up on that nuclear power knowledge so you can stop being afraid because I promise you, nuclear power is coming.

If you're worried about safety, I recommend looking into liquid fluorine thorium reactors.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-06-20 11:42:44 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Welcome, throwaway forum alt. Did you know that France gets 75% of its electricity from nuclear power? They have a pretty good track record for it too.


The best record so far, actually. I'm no fan of the French, but they know how to nuclear. Credit where credit is due.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#43 - 2014-06-20 11:45:22 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Goswin Winters wrote:


You might have thousands of square kilometers to spare in the US and maybe radiation would help some of your rednecks to evolve into human beings, but over here in good ol' Europe I'd rather not have a baguette get stuck in the cooling system of a french reactor next door...



I live in Australia, not the US. I used the US as a reference because they are the best example of excellent and safe application of nuclear power, given that they've used it more than anyone else and have more plants than anyone else.

I think you'll find that nuclear power is very easy to be afraid of, and that fear drives a lot of the subjective validation that causes you to believe the misinformation spread by companies that want to squeeze every last dollar/euro/ruble they can out of fossil fuels. I'm afraid, though, that what you want is irrelevant to what we need, so you'd better brush up on that nuclear power knowledge so you can stop being afraid because I promise you, nuclear power is coming.

If you're worried about safety, I recommend looking into liquid fluorine thorium reactors.


Plus they hardly ever use baguettes for cooling reactors.

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Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#44 - 2014-06-20 11:46:34 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

It is impossible for a reactor to explode like a nuclear weapon

I never said that.
Handar Turiant
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-06-20 11:47:39 UTC
you know what this thread is leading to people......

Mandatory legal notices on everything. Disclaimers up the wazoo:

"Do not try to eat your dominix. The ship, it's fittings, or any other part of said superstructure are not meant for human consumption. CreoDron cannot be held liable for injury, loss, or death following from Dominix consumption. Please refer to the general terms and conditions, clause 23 paragraph B for further reasons why you're a deranged puppy that needs to be explained things like this"

Save New Eden before it's too late! Before dey tuk ar gunz!

Duk-A-DUR!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2014-06-20 11:49:24 UTC
Handar Turiant wrote:
you know what this thread is leading to people......

Mandatory legal notices on everything. Disclaimers up the wazoo:

"Do not try to eat your dominix. The ship, it's fittings, or any other part of said superstructure are not meant for human consumption. CreoDron cannot be held liable for injury, loss, or death following from Dominix consumption. Please refer to the general terms and conditions, clause 23 paragraph B for further reasons why you're a deranged puppy that needs to be explained things like this"

Save New Eden before it's too late! Before dey tuk ar gunz!

Duk-A-DUR!

If I could eat pixels I'd die from congestive heart failure by age 25 after repeated visits to foodporndaily.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-06-20 11:50:24 UTC
Jessica Duranin wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

It is impossible for a reactor to explode like a nuclear weapon

I never said that.


Not specifically, no. But this is the misconception that leads to arguments against nuclear like the one you made. If I was to write a paper that explores the frequency and reasoning of arguments used against nuclear, I have little doubt that the misconception that reactors can explode would be the number one fear-driving lie that leads people to believe they are a disaster waiting to happen.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#48 - 2014-06-20 11:50:39 UTC
Nuclear reactors are /great/ for base load.

And, if you're not pandering to certain groups, not particularly bad waste wise. Because you have fast breeder plants.

The problem isn't high level waste. It's low level waste. Highly radioactive things aren't highly radioactive for long periods of time. (the energy has to come from somewhere.) So if you can turn low level waste into fuel, tada, you've just helped deal with the problem.

Yes, you have to be careful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onagawa_Nuclear_Power_Plant was closer to the epicenter of the earthquake that hit japan, and caused the problems at Fukishima. It shut down safely, and provided shelter to people rendered homeless by the tsunami.

Good design work helps. (and these are /old/ designs. newer designs are safer)

Woo! CSM XI!

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-06-20 11:51:26 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

If I could eat pixels I'd die from congestive heart failure by age 25 after repeated visits to porndaily.


FTFY.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2014-06-20 11:51:59 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
"But the half-life of U-238 is 4.5 billion years! That's like, so long! It'll be dangerous forever!"

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Ridha Shakir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2014-06-20 11:53:22 UTC
Solar power anyone? Big smile
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#52 - 2014-06-20 11:55:53 UTC
Ridha Shakir wrote:
Solar power anyone? Big smile


http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/03/deaths-per-twh-for-all-energy-sources.html

Blink

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-06-20 11:56:06 UTC
Ridha Shakir wrote:
Solar power anyone? Big smile


Supplementary only, not sustainable. Does the UK even have a sun?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Butzewutze
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-06-20 11:59:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Butzewutze
Kaaeliaa wrote:
The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues.


This is a joke right? For someone working in that field you are horribly uninformed. The controversy about DU is not simply because its toxic... more because of this:

The children of basra 1

The children of basra 2

The children of basra 3

Afghanistan 1

Clicky 1

Clicky 2

Don't just look away... thats how democracy and freedom looks.
Ridha Shakir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2014-06-20 11:59:25 UTC
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-06-20 12:00:39 UTC
Ridha Shakir wrote:


Oh that's right.

Murdoch is British now.

Good, you can keep him.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#57 - 2014-06-20 12:05:07 UTC
Butzewutze wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues.


This is a joke right? For someone working in that field you are horribly uninformed. The controversy about DU is not simply because its toxic... more because of this:

The children of basra 1

The children of basra 2

The children of basra 3





That's a result of chemical toxicity. Not radiological.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Chemical_toxicity

A teratogenic hazard. http://www.ehjournal.net/content/4/1/17

Woo! CSM XI!

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Butzewutze
Doomheim
#58 - 2014-06-20 12:06:26 UTC
I never said its only about radioactivity. But calling this "health issues" is a non-correct joke in my eyes.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-06-20 12:12:59 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Butzewutze wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues.


This is a joke right? For someone working in that field you are horribly uninformed. The controversy about DU is not simply because its toxic... more because of this:

The children of basra 1

The children of basra 2

The children of basra 3





That's a result of chemical toxicity. Not radiological.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Chemical_toxicity

A teratogenic hazard. http://www.ehjournal.net/content/4/1/17


I might add that similar results were seen in people in combat areas in Iraq in 2004, when no DU was used at all, and then in Fallujah. Also from Wikipedia:

"Four studies in the second half of 2012—one of which described the people of Fallujah as having "the highest rate of genetic damage in any population ever studied"—renewed calls for the US and UK to investigate the possible links between their military assault on the city in 2004 and the explosion in deformities, cancers, and other serious health problems, even though no depleted uranium was found in soil samples taken from Fallujah."

There's more correlation between these deformities with conflict in tyrannical regimes than there is with depleted uranium. Uranium, and DU, undergo alpha decay, with the rare chance of uranium emitting double beta decay, but DU doesn't do that. It's highly unlikely that the radiation is causing health problems, but there are toxicity issues with hexavalent uranium uranyl compounds and like any heavy metal, as mentioned above, uranium is gonna be toxic, especially if it's ingested or otherwise gets into your bloodstream. There is no evidence to suggest though that the stuff is causing birth defects and deformities.

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#60 - 2014-06-20 12:13:21 UTC
I'm more worried about those @%€$*! laser ammo that takes a TON of visual place and can't be sold, stacked, or repaired.

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