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For hours people can scam in "Rookie help"?

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Elyan Mishi
Jadesoturi.
#21 - 2014-06-20 10:05:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Elyan Mishi
Jo Shouna wrote:

I'm also a new player, and already had to make a 2nd Account to get rid of the 15 million bounty. I like the game mechanic, but I hate the people who cannot follow rules.

Huh? What? Why?

When someone pops your ship when you have a bounty on you, they get 20% of the estimated value of the ship + fittings, assuming of course you have enough bounty to cover that. Since you are a new player, you most likely won't be flying around 5bil Machariels with 1bil bounty on your head. The bounty system is rather useless at the moment, since it doesn't allow people to attack you in high sec, barring suicide ganks of course; suicide ganking a t1 frig or even a t1 cruiser in high sec is rather pointless.

CCP should add a section to the New Player Experience about bounties. Seen many other new players think in a similar way about bounties and complaining that they cannot do anything because of a 10mil bounty on their head.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#22 - 2014-06-20 10:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Marc Durant wrote:


No, just as how the low self esteem emo wrist cutters enjoy baiting newbies in starter systems it's the same here. EVE has 5+K normal systems and only a few of those are exempt from the normal sandbox in that they are "safe havens" from most of the stuff EVE has to offer. They are policed by rules and acted upon by GM if someone felt the need to try and pump up his frail ego by toying with newbies.

Help channel is also policed by similar rules; it's one of two official channels which are save havens from most of the stuff EVE has to offer. Only terrible autists who spend their years crying about how they're just not understood would think it's "funny" to clown around in those. Morons who think they're funny and intelligent (but really aren't) should be acted upon swiftly and decisively. itrollu.jpg generally applies here.

I'm not saying it's right, at all. I'm saying don't let it get under your skin. This thread is exactly what such a person would want, no? I'm not going to analyze the person, just block them. That's what it's there for. If you are going to sit there and argue with him for an hour, you are going to implode. Report him and move on. I'd be more concerned about the person going on and on in an argument rather than the guy that just put in a report and blocked the guy. I'm definitely not going to sit there and argue with the guy, no way.

And for outside of newbie help, it doesn't always apply.
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-banning-policy/
But as far as for this, there is no way for us to judge, we don't have the transcript as a GM would have access to. If there were reason for action to be taken, I'm sure they took care of it, no matter how long you argue with the guy.

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Marc Durant
#23 - 2014-06-20 10:47:29 UTC
The OP doesn't care about it for his own sake because he recognised the issue for what it is, he cares about it for the ones who don't.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#24 - 2014-06-20 11:00:22 UTC
Marc Durant wrote:
The OP doesn't care about it for his own sake because he recognised the issue for what it is, he cares about it for the ones who don't.
Why don't they? How do you know? Maybe the OP was his target, just looking for someone to argue with and get all running to the forums to post how EVE falls short compared to WoW, SWG, STO or whatnot. Where is the transcript? Who else was on and talking to the guy? As mentioned, newbies have little to steal. This is an issue for a GM, they have access to the logs to determine what went on. I just wouldn't sit there and argue with the guy (just like I'm not going to argue with you anymore), it's pointless, and I don't think every newbie was born yesterday to be so easily scammed, and with nothing to scam. It's most likely a point of argument, causing problems, and you are getting wrapped up in the results here.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#25 - 2014-06-20 11:21:11 UTC
Marc Durant wrote:
The OP doesn't care about it for his own sake because he recognised the issue for what it is, he cares about it for the ones who don't.


OP is actually pretty dumb and most likely does not have a future in Eve, just saying...

Jo Shouna wrote:

I'm also a new player, and already had to make a 2nd Account to get rid of the 15 million bounty. I like the game mechanic, but I hate the people who cannot follow rules.

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Marc Durant
#26 - 2014-06-20 11:21:23 UTC
In this particular incident, probably yes (especially given the OP's reactions). Still, that doesn't change the fact that there's a lot of trolling, scamming and awox inviting going on in the help and rookie help channels. And while not everyone may be a blithering idiot (although many are) and not everyone in those channels is an actual newbie even though they try to portray one, the ones who DO fall for stuff like this do so because they're newbie and don't understand the game mechanics and/or "spirit of EVE".

Rookie Help is not the place to introduce people to those concepts, at least not in the way it's been described here. The solution to people doing those things is not "look the other way", it's "tag them and let GM's sort them out".

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#27 - 2014-06-20 11:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Marc Durant wrote:
Rookie Help is not the place to introduce people to those concepts
I never said it was. You just want to argue. I just want to block you. Just to note, in forums it's hover over name, left click + hide. Same deal Lol
At least I got one on the list now, after three years, since it's a help forum anyway.

Yup, seems to work Cool

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Marc Durant
#28 - 2014-06-20 12:11:09 UTC
I'm sorry if you can't deal with a discussion not going your way.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-06-20 12:15:13 UTC
Marc Durant wrote:
I'm sorry if you can't deal with a discussion not going your way.
What's to discuss?

Rookie Help MOTD says 'no scamming'. Someone scams --> report him.

No need to post on forums, nothing to discuss.

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#30 - 2014-06-20 12:17:16 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Marc Durant wrote:
I'm sorry if you can't deal with a discussion not going your way.
What's to discuss?

Rookie Help MOTD says 'no scamming'. Someone scams --> report him.

No need to post on forums, nothing to discuss.

mehehe is he still at it? meh bad-troll.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#31 - 2014-06-20 12:47:47 UTC
Let me state that writing a support ticket on the matter is the way to go, starting a thread about it on the forum is not.
Beside that, let me assure you that the STAR division of ISD are a hard working bunch that in no way deserve to be dragged through the mud like this!

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