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Staying safe'Ish as a miner
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Holly Ballbreaker
Overloaded Strip Miners Holding
#1 - 2014-06-19 11:18:59 UTC
Ok

first Hello guys/girls

currently i mine on my 4 accounts with
1 orca
3 hulks in high sec

the orca is fitted with the normal mining links but i have 1 shield link also (full leadership skills)

im thinking first i could keep a skiff in my orca to jump in to if any gank attempt happens.

Or

drop 2nd link for say range and add the booster duration link and shield harmonizing
grouped with a remote shield rep char.

Or

just mine in skiffs (no not an option)

see to me this code. is just like a little micro game and tbh its only pixles.
i mean if anyone really wanted my orca dead along with my hulks i know it would happen some may say why not just pay
but wheres the fun in that.

any have similar set ups or see anything im missing as altho i have full leadership skills i have only ever used them for mining
:)
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2014-06-19 12:21:55 UTC
Firstly, code it a tiny investment sure. But with so many ships in the air it will be almost impossible not to fall under not aspirations anyways.

That said the tanked skiffs are always going to be your best bet in the case of making yourself the least attractive target for the best yields out.

However, another way to game it might be to consider using the T1 barges. Instead of thinking in terms of surviving the attack (as you already noted you won't) try thinking in terms of "how many cycles must each barge run to pay for a replacement)

Still tank your miners. Still run links. But run cheap as you can to do so using the T1 hulls. I used to have a link to the old math of how long a miner with Vs skills needed in each hull (on veld). But given all the changes I'll let someone with more math do the numbers.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#3 - 2014-06-19 12:25:04 UTC
Holly Ballbreaker wrote:
im thinking first i could keep a skiff in my orca to jump in to if any gank attempt happens.

Test this first - I can't recall but I think there's an issue in changing ships through a maint bay if locked for example.
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drop 2nd link for say range and add the booster duration link and shield harmonizing
grouped with a remote shield rep char.

You'd need to do some serious repping power to counter the DPS a Catalyst can put out on you, though you don't need to counter it all to turn a successful gank into a failed gank. Calculate how many 700DPS Catalysts a gank squad would need to kill your hulks, determine how much spare damage they have with that many and how much of that you can counter...
Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-06-19 15:18:38 UTC
Whatever you throw on your hulks, they still take 3 catalysts to take down max in 0.8 space.
Your suggestion about skiff is questionable. You won't be able to swap all 3 miners without leaving at least one hulk exposed. And should you encounter even remotely serious gankers, they'll just return for your orca.

Look at average ice botter (or 30 windows Isboxer if you feel comfortable this way): tons of procurers/skiffs, off-grid orca and off-grid freighter that takes golden cargo and rolling out.
Arean Proktor
Chilli Joe
#5 - 2014-06-20 07:11:44 UTC
4. Settle over to Null.

CODE does not matter there. Also better Ore and bigger rocks. There are enough quite Systems out there and with the upcoming Industry change you will have an easy time selling your minerals there.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#6 - 2014-06-20 07:41:15 UTC
Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining.
Holly Ballbreaker
Overloaded Strip Miners Holding
#7 - 2014-06-20 08:38:43 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining.


Then they win :/ again not an option and i am stubborn.
All day all i see in forums is Code this and code that, why is everyone changing the way they mine to accommodate these players.

altho last night i had a really funny arsed idea
fit orca for pure fleet boosts NO mining boosts.
fit 1 remote rep on each hulk and spider tank them well kinda ;P
add another remote rep char in the mix fit warp scram on each and add heavy hitting drones orgres to each hulk and orca.

fit 1 mining lazor on each hulk
and gank the gankers :P reverse gank for for lols


Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-06-20 11:04:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Nvm, lost post to glitch. See below.
Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-06-20 11:06:27 UTC
Holly Ballbreaker wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining.


Then they win :/ again not an option and i am stubborn.
All day all i see in forums is Code this and code that, why is everyone changing the way they mine to accommodate these players.

altho last night i had a really funny arsed idea
fit orca for pure fleet boosts NO mining boosts.
fit 1 remote rep on each hulk and spider tank them well kinda ;P
add another remote rep char in the mix fit warp scram on each and add heavy hitting drones orgres to each hulk and orca.

fit 1 mining lazor on each hulk
and gank the gankers :P reverse gank for for lols



You are mining on 4 accounts, yet it seems that you've got no idea what the hell the gank is.
All actions goes for less than 26 seconds. After this game is over, win or not.
You won't have time to kill them all.
Even if you'll kill someone before CONCORD arrival, the most of DPS required will be inflicted already. It's not like you'll be able to make their day worse with this act, they already said good bye to their ships prior to undocking.
You won't have right to strike first.
Your reps will pull out 5 cycles max (if reps are already running).
Tthey most likely will know your fitting or bring obviously excessive quantity of ships.

If you really want to "stay safe" as miner, either don't mine or mine in rented null/high sec deadspace pockets.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2014-06-20 11:22:31 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining.


Nooo I need miners for ships to suicide gank miners!! >_<

I've actually only done that like once but still..

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Holly Ballbreaker
Overloaded Strip Miners Holding
#11 - 2014-06-20 12:11:27 UTC
Chenguang Hucel-Ge wrote:
Holly Ballbreaker wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining.


Then they win :/ again not an option and i am stubborn.
All day all i see in forums is Code this and code that, why is everyone changing the way they mine to accommodate these players.

altho last night i had a really funny arsed idea
fit orca for pure fleet boosts NO mining boosts.
fit 1 remote rep on each hulk and spider tank them well kinda ;P
add another remote rep char in the mix fit warp scram on each and add heavy hitting drones orgres to each hulk and orca.

fit 1 mining lazor on each hulk
and gank the gankers :P reverse gank for for lols



You are mining on 4 accounts, yet it seems that you've got no idea what the hell the gank is.
All actions goes for less than 26 seconds. After this game is over, win or not.
You won't have time to kill them all.
Even if you'll kill someone before CONCORD arrival, the most of DPS required will be inflicted already. It's not like you'll be able to make their day worse with this act, they already said good bye to their ships prior to undocking.
You won't have right to strike first.
Your reps will pull out 5 cycles max (if reps are already running).
Tthey most likely will know your fitting or bring obviously excessive quantity of ships.

If you really want to "stay safe" as miner, either don't mine or mine in rented null/high sec deadspace pockets.


No as a miner i have no idea what a GANK is must be some type of ship amiright :/
snakebreath
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-06-20 20:08:40 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining.




After everyone's stock pile of minerals are depleted, we can undock in pods and go mano o mano.... Maybe CCP can add a joust on our pods so we can impale each other.

Gun mining can't keep up with the demand ever since drone poo was nerfed.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#13 - 2014-06-21 00:54:17 UTC
snakebreath wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining.




After everyone's stock pile of minerals are depleted, we can undock in pods and go mano o mano.... Maybe CCP can add a joust on our pods so we can impale each other.

Gun mining can't keep up with the demand ever since drone poo was nerfed.


There will always be the bots.
Holly Ballbreaker
Overloaded Strip Miners Holding
#14 - 2014-06-21 10:36:26 UTC
lol

nvm i got my answer

it just dont work :/

Director Blackflame
Voidspace Solutions
#15 - 2014-06-21 10:45:58 UTC
I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#16 - 2014-06-21 11:37:16 UTC
Director Blackflame wrote:
I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis.


The same reason that despite getting 3 lowslots to pit potential tank, 90% of freighter pilots will stick 3 expanded cargoholds/warp speed modules in there. Most of them simply can't be bothered to understand the game outside of their own little box. I commend OP on trying to stay safe, that's more than most miners even bother doing.
Holly Ballbreaker
Overloaded Strip Miners Holding
#17 - 2014-06-21 12:45:49 UTC
Director Blackflame wrote:
I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis.


Like i said i am stubborn, had a attempted gank last night managed to get out with no loss but with 2%hull and a little shield my rep gave me.

So it wos kind of a win but then i couldn't go back to mining as the guys wos just waiting on me to undock again
also the warp stab helped altho without my links and rep i would of died in a ball of flames.

Also i dont care about losing a hulk or 2 its the orca that would really be a loss but they didnt even try and touch the orca.
Im guessing the hulk wos there intrest.
i have now decided to go back to the drawing board and have a rethink.

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#18 - 2014-06-21 12:57:49 UTC
Did they came with 25+ artynados? Guess not since you got your hulk out so why would you be worried about orca? Worst they could do is bumping it to mess with you but nobody exploded from bumping except maybe some rage infused neurons.

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#19 - 2014-06-21 16:52:12 UTC
If you want to mine safer... borrow a page from ancient EvE and use Rohks (better than Apocs). Sure you will lose a lot of yield, but it can be tanked passively for catalysts (very good against burst ganks, esp if you can top it off with RR; one way is to use medium shield bots in a drone chain), cargo can easily be large enough for 2 or more cycles (less if you use mining drones).

Like anything else in Eve... it is all tradeoffs, is greed good enough or are the red numbers potentially a bigger problem?

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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2014-06-21 21:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Froggy Storm
Use thermodynamics as well. You can't exactly preheat your reps or hardners, but if you are squeeking by with 2% then mashing the rack when the ganks starts could give you that extra little bit to deal with devine RNG hate.
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