Missions & Complexes

Now would be a good time for us as players to give feedback on what we would like to see as loot for exploration.

Keeping a few things in mind

• Risk vs Reward
• There are no wrong opinions is a brainstorming session.
• Keep things reasonable if you want them to be takes serously.

The Sites that could be looked at are

• Data Sites
• Relic Sites
• Ghost Sties
• DED Complexes
• Unrated Combat Signatures
• Combat Anomalies (Maybe)

Also try to provide feedback on site difficulity comnpaired to allowable ship types for each site.

I picked up a couple of tech 2 rig bpc's last night.

The only trouble with this is the lack of all the resources to make the t2 rigs.

I can get 75% of the resources where I am, but the other 25% is in another region.

Can this be adjusted or is it part of the overall game plan?

Other than this little gripe, I consider the sites to be fine.

Add new data sites, like the old data sites. Like how the current data sites should have been added not replaced over the old ones.
Rat spawns, cans, no mini-game, no special rigs or modules needed (apart from the old hacking module), no cargo scanners needed, put them in everyplace but highsec.

Just like the old sites, but a new name would be fine. Don't care about uber loot, it was just fun and worth doing. The return of the fighting hacking explorers. Was a good part of this game, missed by many for the gaming content, not just loot arguments as it seems to be now.

Loot must be rare for you to call it loot. That is all

While I understand your concern for being at the mercy of demand/supply shifts to profit from your favorite and one of my favorite activities, I very much disagree with this. More isk faucets are the last thing this game needs in general. IMHO if they do anything for exploration in that vein, CCP could put in a token for some SOE LP (which is always in high demand due to pretty much all of their rewards being useful to explorers, combat scanners, and wormhole residents alike). That wouldn't simply inject more isk, and it would also put downward pressure on the SOE LP that makes the SOE faction ships relatively expensive.



Sure. I see nothing wrong with player competition to NPC seeded markets.



Agree about the Ghost and DED, but I don't support adding arbitrary tiers to data/relics. I'd be quite sad if newbros were unable to do nullsec sites because they didn't spend a month training V's. That's not a solution to the saturation problem (well, it is in the short-run), it's just an un-fun stopgap.

Problem with that is that it gives you a predefined location, much like a mission or a ded site (general system). Cambat hacking, a big draw was the search, then into the site with expectation of battle, the unknown, it woke you up on the warp-in. Then even while you were hacking, more rats could spawn. You could also keep an eye out for other players, to fight, ignore, or run. Running star system after star system, searching, through all areas of the game, searching for a site, then diving into battle, into the unknown, with a ship not just like the next ship but often unique to the player.

They did this whole revamp for new players, used it as a marketing gimmick to get new players in the game through website adverts. Then used the carrot of loot to make it a "success" (which drove down loot prices). Like they did with bounty hunting, though that was more just about marketing gimmick alone, for new players, as there is no real bounty hunting system us vets can recognize. Not saying they should remove the new system, just that adding back the old system as another system would be the way to go. We'd might even start seeing threads in this forum again about the gameplay of it, were so many such threads, rather than just loot discussions/complaints.

We already have tiers in exploration. Some null cans are easier than others and with loot spread among (not tied to can difficulty level) newbros have access to null anyway. I don't support this. If we can do anything from day 0 why bother with skills anyway? Player must put some effort to expand his game avatar to do better things. For now it's like lvl 3 skills are enough for null sec exploration with the most valuable loot. You can't do lvl4 securities in cruiser, can you? There is no risk vs rewards in non combat exploration (or very little, low-sec maybe) so there must be some other thresholds.

Basically we went from hardcore, good isk making profession to very easy, isk grind second activity.

Relic sites are good, just put best loot to hardest cans. it's salvaging with hacking device so maybe some new items in there.

Data sites. Why data cores weight so much? Memory cards becomes smaller and smaller every year, this things are 1m3. More BPC variety. No matter what sec statuts i get same copies from cans.

Blood Raiders neut, Sansha track disrupt.

That is the role that highsec deds perform.

I have an indy alt with distinctly lesser combat skills than this one, and it can do serpentis phi, gurista scout outpost and mul zatar with a vexor. It can also get into the ded3s. I bought it a vexor recently, and within 2 hours of buying and fitting it, I'd probed down 2 gurista guerilla grounds, and looted 200m from the second one.

That's exactly the thing new explorers wanting to move to combat should do. They might get outraced a few times, but sooner or later they'll jackpot and be able to buy themselves a navy cruiser.

Trying to live in null as a newbie with a relatively sluggish non covops warping cruiser with imperfect avoidance skills both SP and pilot related is too harsh, and residents like me will rapidly wear down the loot value by being able to speed run the newbie stuff (for obvious reasons we'll prioritise any content that earns more than ratting until it doesn't), and a stratios is just too expensive for a newbie to lose.

The reasons that makes nullsec exploration works for newbies without rats, is because frigates are all agile, and because it doesn't destroy game balance if a t2 covops ship has 1 drone or 1 gun, and the imicus, magnate and the like have 3 drones and can beat a covops in head-to-head combat, which allows the new player a reasonable defence against older players in the better hacking ships.

They can't balance combat ships further along the tree in the same way.

Can we make exploration newbros friendly (low Sp and cheap ships) with good amount IKS to earn? We can't. It doesn't matter how you will change loot tables. It matters what you need to do to get the loot.

Now we have curious situation. You can earn same amount of money in Lvl4's as in null non combat exploration. Only lvl 4's need few more millions of SP to drive through. Risk vs reward? a joke. If risk vs reward was the main cause for sites profitability low sec should pay the most.