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All Fountain Moon Minerals Mapped and Free

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Dally Lama
Doomheim
#21 - 2014-06-19 15:29:02 UTC
Why do the two largest powerblocs need more content, though?

I'm surprised they aren't duking it out until one dies completely.

New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#22 - 2014-06-19 15:39:01 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated?

Test a random sample yourself, it's the only way you can trust the verification.

That said, his figures are completely bogus - they ignore fuel costs, meaning the majority of those on his list have a negative cost to extraction, where he claims a profit.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#23 - 2014-06-19 15:59:49 UTC
DOTLAN anyone?

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-06-19 16:04:54 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated?

Test a random sample yourself, it's the only way you can trust the verification.

That said, his figures are completely bogus - they ignore fuel costs, meaning the majority of those on his list have a negative cost to extraction, where he claims a profit.

The word 'profit' is no where to be found in the data. It is simply the raw value of minerals the moon outputs per day. Sorry that F's up your narrative in trying to convince people to not enjoy the data or use it. Bear
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-06-19 16:06:58 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
DOTLAN anyone?

Incomplete and subject to player honesty when submitting information. They are of course free to copy the information I have here and complete their Fountain region so it is complete and up to date on the new additions of high end moons there.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#26 - 2014-06-19 16:09:20 UTC
Knowledge is only power if you have the power to do something about it.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-06-19 16:11:37 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Hi Marlona,

This is an amazing amount of information. Did you do all this? I had some questions if you don't mind:
-I see that in some of the sheets Rows D:G don't use the color coding in I. Is that the simple intent of the color code or was there some information embedded there that wasn't obvious?
-Were you using eve-central API for pulling mineral prices? Seems to me they are static values for now
-I'm sure you could eventually calculate a daily income per Alliance/Corp if you wanted to
-I really like the pie chart breakdown if minerals

It's pretty simple and effective. Good job!


- Some of the sheets are the early versions before I started doing the color. Eventually I will update them. You will probably notice an earlier version of labeling the planet and moons, but I opted for a different way to record the data. That will be eventually updated as well.

- I just logged on an alt in Jita and looked at the average price for each. If I knew how to API it I would, but I'm not in a super rush right now. Again something else I will update later. The price on it right now is from 3 days ago if I remember correctly.
- The corp/alliance income could be done, but I don't have all the towers mapped yet and will take a few days. But, from what I have seen, this information being public may cause some changes on who has the moon depending on how the line members of FA and even Goons view this. Maybe some of those small member corps who barely participate in fleets have some other reason to be raking in ISK left and right and not helping out? I don't know. I'll leave it up to the line members to go to the good moons I don't have details on who has it towered. Let them decide what to do.
- Yeah the pie chart is simple and effective. I might expand to corps and alliances on the value in a few days. I have something else I want to finish first. Blink


So this doesn't have anything to do with your EN24 article questioning FA's income/outgoing iskflow and how a large part is being held back right?

Looks to me like you're trying your utter best to get some ''inner-drama'' going there .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-06-19 16:15:19 UTC
flakeys wrote:
So this doesn't have anything to do with your EN24 article questioning FA's income/outgoing iskflow and how a large part is being held back right?

Looks to me like you're trying your utter best to get some ''inner-drama'' going there .

Considering I never wrote an article questioning FA's income/outgoing ISK flow...
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-06-19 16:19:40 UTC
Release public moon info for region. Edit out the valuable R64's. Claim them for yourself.

Pirate

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
flakeys
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-06-19 16:22:52 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
flakeys wrote:
So this doesn't have anything to do with your EN24 article questioning FA's income/outgoing iskflow and how a large part is being held back right?

Looks to me like you're trying your utter best to get some ''inner-drama'' going there .

Considering I never wrote an article questioning FA's income/outgoing ISK flow...


You are right , it wasn't you who wrote it .It was the article before the one you wrote .

The underlying idea behind it doesn't change because of a different writer though , something you clearly understand and is the reason why you only reply to the mistake i made in regards to the author not the idea to post this list though

.So , pure coincidence your article is RIGHT above one questioning FA's honesty in regards to their iskflow?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#31 - 2014-06-19 16:26:05 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated?

Test a random sample yourself, it's the only way you can trust the verification.

That said, his figures are completely bogus - they ignore fuel costs, meaning the majority of those on his list have a negative cost to extraction, where he claims a profit.

The word 'profit' is no where to be found in the data. It is simply the raw value of minerals the moon outputs per day. Sorry that F's up your narrative in trying to convince people to not enjoy the data or use it. Bear

No, no, I actually think that releasing a hilariously inflated figure whilst asking "Are you getting your share?" and bleating about FA finances is just a giant coincidence.
Or in your words "Just though this info would be helpful right now considering the FA income questions going on right now".

Your doc lists "total regional income" - income is always considered the net financial gain from an endeavour, so your figures are willfully misleading at best, and straight-up fabrications at worst.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

flakeys
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-06-19 16:28:44 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated?

Test a random sample yourself, it's the only way you can trust the verification.

That said, his figures are completely bogus - they ignore fuel costs, meaning the majority of those on his list have a negative cost to extraction, where he claims a profit.

The word 'profit' is no where to be found in the data. It is simply the raw value of minerals the moon outputs per day. Sorry that F's up your narrative in trying to convince people to not enjoy the data or use it. Bear

No, no, I actually think that releasing a hilariously inflated figure whilst asking "Are you getting your share?" and bleating about FA finances is just a giant coincidence.
Or in your words "Just though this info would be helpful right now considering the FA income questions going on right now".

Your doc lists "total regional income" - income is always considered the net financial gain from an endeavour, so your figures are willfully misleading at best, and straight-up fabrications at worst.



Well normally it's the CFC -specifically goons- who play this type of game so i'm more ''surprised'' that this time it is being played the other way around.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-06-19 16:35:18 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Netan MalDoran wrote:
DOTLAN anyone?

Incomplete and subject to player honesty when submitting information. They are of course free to copy the information I have here and complete their Fountain region so it is complete and up to date on the new additions of high end moons there.


I underlined the important part of what you said about your own information.
Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
#34 - 2014-06-19 17:13:27 UTC

Your doc lists "total regional income" - income is always considered the net financial gain from an endeavour, so your figures are willfully misleading at best, and straight-up fabrications at worst.[/quote]

This is not correct. Gross income is all income before expenses, net income is actual financial gain.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-06-19 18:14:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
I will change the wording on Total Regional Income to Potential Gross of Region per Day. Will be later tonight before I can though.
Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
#36 - 2014-06-19 18:15:26 UTC
Marlona,

You should probably re-label the the 'total regional income' on your spreadsheet to 'potential gross income'. Many of these moons do not have towers so you cannot count them as actual income, just potential. Your figures are before expenses and should reflect that thus 'gross'. While the spreadsheet can be useful, it would be more useful if it had actual towered moons listed to reflect real income.
General Nusense
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-06-20 00:03:15 UTC
baltec wrote:
cant wait for someone to create content for us since we dont have anythign to shoot due to our blue list and botlord.


FTFY.

Made a signature so I am taken seriously on the forums, since thats the only thing they are good for.
Serene Repose
#38 - 2014-06-20 10:55:06 UTC
Posting to, seriously, one of the best titled posts I've ever seen titled.
I have no clue what it means. It just reads good.

+1 for subject line

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#39 - 2014-06-20 12:43:35 UTC
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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#40 - 2014-06-20 12:55:14 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Interesting... Can someone confirm this info isn't fabricated?

Test a random sample yourself, it's the only way you can trust the verification..



Pretty much this. There are very easy statistical analysis which basically boils down to "The more you test and are accurate, the more likely it's legit". The more information that Marlona would, hypothetically, try to fudge, the more likely it would show up in your random testing. You just need to break whatever your confidence interval is.
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