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A question about Amarr funerals

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Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-06-19 15:08:46 UTC
I have a question for you. It requires some background information. I have recently been assigned by Nishida Holdings (of which the Nishida Corporation is merely a part) to form the primary liaison with an Amarrian industrialist with whom we are collaborating on a number of projects (the precise nature of which is of no relevance here). Setting this up has entailed my travelling to Amarr and meeting him on several occasions so far, and will require a rather more prolonged stay at his primary base of operations in Jakemhih in the near future. This is all unremarkable, although I should add that I have until now spent comparatively little time in the Amarr Empire, so that my suitability for this task has less to do with any intercultural competence I might possess than with technical and political issues.

It is perhaps this lack of intercultural familiarity which has posed me the following problem. The Amarrian's father has died; he will travel to his homeworld in the coming days to attend the funeral. He has invited me to accompany him. I do not know how to respond to this.

Two scenarios have occurred to me. One is that he has extended this invitation as a polite courtesy, but expects me to refuse. I would be a stranger at such an event, knowing nothing of Amarr funerary rites and of course completely unfamiliar with his family or traditions. The other is that this is meant directly, and he would be offended if I turned him down. Since I neither wish to offend him, nor embarrass my employer, I am troubled by this development. I have no idea whether it is customary amongst the Amarr to invite outsiders to such intimate events, or whether in Amarr terms this is not an intimate event and foreigners would be welcome, nor do I know whether politeness requires an Amarrian to extend such invitations to business acquaintances … In any case, I am seeking advice, both in terms of how I ought to take this, and, if I were to go to Chaven with him, what I ought to expect. How do the Amarr farewell their dead?

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#2 - 2014-06-19 15:18:20 UTC
Basically, you're going to want to stock up on anti-emetica and ensure your alcohol and drug tolerances are at their peak. If you're of the more tender kind, invest in goggles that automatically censor nipples, exposed skin, etc. There's a lot of that stuff at a proper Amarrian wake. When asked to imbibe the "holy water", make sure you don't sip. That's an insult to them and their god. Quaff. The less that actually makes it into your mouth, the better, both appearance-wise and simply due to the amount of sacred imbibing there'll be.

If you're not into the greater joys in life, I suggest wearing quite a few layers of clothes. When they get animated, niceties such as unbuttoning or even consent goes out the window. Fortunately, they're easily distracted so a nice layer of ablative cloth armor might keep you from going entirely naked. The first half hour, anyway. That gargantuan snow hill those bishops are skiing down at the other end of the room? Not snow. For the love of everything you hold dear, breathe shallow over there.

Traditional burial gifts and customs include a slightly rotted fish (don't ask, I don't even know) and yelling "Let's hope the bastard STAYS dead!" at the top of your lungs as you enter.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#3 - 2014-06-19 16:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Our funerals, like many of our social gatherings, are delicate affairs. Don't listen to Otsito's "advice" unless you want to have two services instead of just one.

As for whether you should accept or if you can decline, I'm afraid that there is not a standard for this. On the one hand, we are a private people who prefer to keep our personal matters out of the public space, and so if you are not a close friend with this person (and not a member of the faith) your presence might be concerning for some of the guests. On the other hand, it is common for an invitation to be with the expectation that you will accept. Someone with more experience with these sort of events could advise better here--the only funeral I have observed was the Empire-wide week of mourning for His Holiness The Emperor Heideran VII, may he be at peace in Heaven.

I will say that politeness does not require the sending of invitations for intimate events to business associates. We believe in keeping personal and business dealings separate, rather than mixing the two. Therefore, if he is sending you an invitation, it is because he has deliberately chosen to send you one.

If you do attend, you will need to familiarize yourself with the specific program for the evening. Customs, though similar, are not the same throughout the Empire, and many families have their own traditions that have been carried on for many generations. I would recommend, if you accept the invitation, to discuss with either your associate or the designated funeral manager what is planned for the evening and how you should prepare. This is not uncommon and would not be offensive--it would in fact demonstrate that you respect the family and our culture. What preparations you need to make could be many things, from specific attires, to gifts (it is common to leave gifts for the departed), to the memorization of certain prayers or songs.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#4 - 2014-06-19 16:57:49 UTC
Also, it is considered polite to engage in acts of fornication with the slaves during the Eulogy. Blaring Matari pop music while doing so is also alright.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2014-06-19 17:21:08 UTC
It sounds to me, as if the man is telling you that your new business alliance is highly important to him. I would advise accepting. As for avoiding faux pas, it is entirely possible to hire yourself a 'cultural interpreter' for the event. Most Amarrian noble houses won't question your inclusion of key personal staff and, I imagine, would be flattered by the consideration that hiring such a person implies for their cultural values.

I have, myself, generally winged my way through Amarrian social events by the seat of my pants. I can report mixed results, at best. Sometimes I've been deliberately rude and it hasn't even raised a murmur. Sometimes I've tried to do as the Amarrians do and it's caused outrage. Frankly, in my opinion, they are a subtle people who had thirty words for betrayal whilst the rest of us were still working out how to hit each other with rocks. Don't try to be flawlessly Amarrian, be yourself and just take steps not to cause offence.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2014-06-19 17:53:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Mr. Akachi,

Ignore Claudia Osyn and Jinari Ositio.

Praetorian Kerhner has good advice, as does Mr. Tuulinen from an outsider's standpoint.

Remember, family is very important to the Amarr, and your invitation is a sign of great Honor to you.

You should take care to consult with persons knowledgeable of local customs, but being polite, well-dressed and mannered, and maintaining yourself with decorum and respect towards the deceased and the Faith will go a long way.
Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-06-19 19:02:21 UTC
Praetorian: I take your point about the potentially disruptive nature of my attendance: I have met this man four times, so cannot under any stretch of the imagination be called a close friend. Nevertheless, since you also make a reasonable case for this being an invitation I ought not to decline, I can only assume that my Amarrian has considered this. There is one thing, however … I mention this with a certain hesitation … a certain amount of intelligence to suggest that his relationship to his family might possibly be tense. An unresolved inheritance issue. Not really any of my business, naturally, but my people did see fit to include it in their briefing when we began. So there may be currents beneath the surface here. We shall see, perhaps.

Tuulinen: your advice is sound, a cultural interpreter is a good idea. I will make enquiries. What you say about subtlety is more than true. Do not misunderstand me: I like this man, but I cannot say I understand him. This gesture least of all. As for our alliance being highly important, though … yes, yes it is. There is a great deal at stake here, beyond the fortunes of the Nishida group. And perhaps also beyond those of his own.

If others have things to add about Amarr funerary customs—descriptions, any liturgical elements people are aware of, or personal experiences—I would be glad to hear them.

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2014-06-19 19:07:26 UTC
Akachi-haan. You may work with him twenty years and never come to understand him, however understanding isn't really vital, so much as consideration and tact. Good luck.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#9 - 2014-06-19 19:18:44 UTC
The fellow will probably raise his eyebrows at you talking about his relationship to his family and the stakes involved to the general public. Even if people couldn't work a simple search engine and keep an eye on your itinerary, he and his family are most certainly likely to recognize you and themselves in here.

Might want to break out that fish or see me about a small mountain of conciliatory Crash.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-06-19 19:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Morihei Akachi
Heh … a fair concern. But he's not a capsuleer—at least not to our knowledge, and I trust my intelligence people to have been thorough on this—so I doubt he has access to these channels (unless, of course, his people are very, very good, in which case he also knows that I know about his family …). And as far as details are concerned that would make him identifiable to others, I've only mentioned Jakemhih and Chaven. That's information that could probably fit thousands if not tens of thousands of individuals. I doubt there's anything solid to be gained from it.

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#11 - 2014-06-19 20:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Morihei Akachi wrote:
Praetorian: I take your point about the potentially disruptive nature of my attendance: I have met this man four times, so cannot under any stretch of the imagination be called a close friend. Nevertheless, since you also make a reasonable case for this being an invitation I ought not to decline, I can only assume that my Amarrian has considered this. There is one thing, however … I mention this with a certain hesitation … a certain amount of intelligence to suggest that his relationship to his family might possibly be tense. An unresolved inheritance issue. Not really any of my business, naturally, but my people did see fit to include it in their briefing when we began. So there may be currents beneath the surface here. We shall see, perhaps.


Something of this nature is what I was thinking when I noted that their sending you the invitation was deliberate. If this is the case then it offers two possible explanations:

The first is that he feels uncomfortable around his family and wishes an ally to be at the funeral with him. That he is sending it to you despite only having met you four times indicates that he is looking for someone who would fly under the radar. That, or, forgive me for making the suggestion, he wishes to use your presence to make a statement to the family and his father, due to your being a foreigner and outside the faith.

The second is that his family has sent the invitation in his name, or otherwise encouraged him to send it. Maybe they don't like his dealings with you and wish to make you uncomfortable, or maybe they want to meet you themselves and establish a connection.

Either way, you will need to treat it very delicately. You will be offending someone by not showing, and possibly offending others by showing.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#12 - 2014-06-19 21:05:21 UTC
Unless with the fish and the crash and the yelling and the whatnot.
It's a surefire icebreaker, I tell you.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-06-19 21:11:17 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Morihei Akachi wrote:
Praetorian: I take your point about the potentially disruptive nature of my attendance: I have met this man four times, so cannot under any stretch of the imagination be called a close friend. Nevertheless, since you also make a reasonable case for this being an invitation I ought not to decline, I can only assume that my Amarrian has considered this. There is one thing, however … I mention this with a certain hesitation … a certain amount of intelligence to suggest that his relationship to his family might possibly be tense. An unresolved inheritance issue. Not really any of my business, naturally, but my people did see fit to include it in their briefing when we began. So there may be currents beneath the surface here. We shall see, perhaps.


Something of this nature is what I was thinking when I noted that their sending you the invitation was deliberate. If this is the case then it offers two possible explanations:

The first is that he feels uncomfortable around his family and wishes an ally to be at the funeral with him. That he is sending it to you despite only having met you four times indicates that he is looking for someone who would fly under the radar. That, or, forgive me for making the suggestion, he wishes to use your presence to make a statement to the family and his father, due to your being a foreigner and outside the faith.

The second is that his family has sent the invitation in his name, or otherwise encouraged him to send it. Maybe they don't like his dealings with you and wish to make you uncomfortable, or maybe they want to meet you themselves and establish a connection.

Either way, you will need to treat it very delicately. You will be offending someone by not showing, and possibly offending others by showing.

I suppose these were ramifications I should have considered. Yes, of course. Thank you, Praetorian, this is most helpful. I clearly need to get an Amarrian on my personal staff. We are dealing with a mindset here that is foreign to all of us.

Why do I suspect that breaking the ice the way you suggest, Jinari, might well indeed get me the second funeral Praetorian Kernher mentions in her first post?

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2014-06-19 21:29:44 UTC
Because it's highly likely that it would. Whilst I hate to generalise, it's worth remembering that many traditionalist Amarrians view Capsuleers as souless monsters at the best of times. If you start acting like one, they'll likely have little compunction against simply having the House Guards shoot you and remove your corpse.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#15 - 2014-06-19 22:07:33 UTC
Well, it'd only take a few hundred such corpses before they'd loosen up and start seeing the humor and joy in life, and can't we all agree that such a thing is a worthy cause to momentarily die for? Well that and the looks on their faces. And the fish's. The Crash Mountain's face remains inert, but scalable.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#16 - 2014-06-19 22:08:48 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Because it's highly likely that it would. Whilst I hate to generalise, it's worth remembering that many traditionalist Amarrians view Capsuleers as souless monsters at the best of times. If you start acting like one, they'll likely have little compunction against simply having the House Guards shoot you and remove your corpse.

We arnt souless monsters Sad....


I have plenty of souls, a whole collection of them. I'm a connoisseur of souls. They fill the void where mine used to be.....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-06-20 04:08:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Jinari Otsito wrote:
Well, it'd only take a few hundred such corpses before they'd loosen up and start seeing the humor and joy in life, and can't we all agree that such a thing is a worthy cause to momentarily die for? Well that and the looks on their faces. And the fish's. The Crash Mountain's face remains inert, but scalable.



You have the tact of a plasma blowtorch with a faulty faucet.
Also, Quafe. Really? That thing rots your tongue! You are better off using it as an industrial cleaner.

Also, rotted fish is desperation food for lengthy journeys with only one functional, yet leaky, afterburner and a disabled warp drive.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#18 - 2014-06-20 05:20:07 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Quafe.
Quaff.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#19 - 2014-06-20 13:19:58 UTC
Mister Akachi,

Allthough I'm an complete outsider, My advise would be to be open about your concerns in regard to the invitation. I would tell the son that you are sorry for his loss as it is always painfull to lose a family member. Tell him that you would like to accept the invitation but that you are not yet familiar enough with Amarr funerals and wish to avoid any disruptions or disrespect to the ceremony. Ask what is expected from you and which do's and do dont's apply. I believe you could also ask for advice from priests.

I am fairly sure that showing your involvement and willingness to learn will go a long way.

Regards,

DutchGunner
CONCORD Loyalist