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The nerf to Drone Hordes

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Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#81 - 2011-12-03 02:40:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Esunisen
Just did a Drone Horde in -1.0 on Sisi and got this:

Loot
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#82 - 2011-12-03 05:41:43 UTC
Esunisen wrote:
Just did a Drone Horde in -1.0 on Sisi and got this:

Loot


My calculator gave me about 28.7m for that site. The value of a full horde I've been using for a while now is 28.5m, so it doesn't look like anything has changed at all on sisi. Is there something we're supposed to be looking at?
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#83 - 2011-12-03 09:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Offtopic and inappropriate posts removed.

Please keep it civil.

EDIT: As CCP Greyscale mentioned in another topic, we are considering switching drones to bounties in order reduce the income disparity in these regions. Would be happy to hear your opinions on this.

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Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
#84 - 2011-12-03 11:15:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadow Lord77
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Offtopic and inappropriate posts removed.

Please keep it civil.

EDIT: As CCP Greyscale mentioned in another topic, we are considering switching drones to bounties in order reduce the income disparity in these regions. Would be happy to hear your opinions on this.


Good--- Also consider drones dropping something other than iskies that could be used in drone related manufacturing.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#85 - 2011-12-03 11:30:47 UTC
lol @ the whines of people who didn't have all anoms which yielded a semi-decent profit simply removed from anywhere within 20 jumps.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#86 - 2011-12-03 15:18:52 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Offtopic and inappropriate posts removed.

Please keep it civil.

EDIT: As CCP Greyscale mentioned in another topic, we are considering switching drones to bounties in order reduce the income disparity in these regions. Would be happy to hear your opinions on this.



Make them drop tags like sleepers do that need to be sold to NPCs.
Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
#87 - 2011-12-03 19:24:11 UTC
dont worry, all of drone regions got nerfed so the alloys will be more valuable -> ull have ur isk back

also pretty sure other regions had multiple waves in anoms for as long as anoms existed
Mr Fondo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2011-12-05 01:12:35 UTC
Dibsi Dei wrote:
dont worry, all of drone regions got nerfed so the alloys will be more valuable -> ull have ur isk back

also pretty sure other regions had multiple waves in anoms for as long as anoms existed



yea but you dont have to loot/salvage all your wrecks haul/refine and sell the minerals/build something and sell it to see a single isk. Dont post on subjects you have no idea about.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#89 - 2011-12-05 01:17:08 UTC
Mr Fondo wrote:
Dibsi Dei wrote:
dont worry, all of drone regions got nerfed so the alloys will be more valuable -> ull have ur isk back

also pretty sure other regions had multiple waves in anoms for as long as anoms existed



yea but you dont have to loot/salvage all your wrecks haul/refine and sell the minerals/build something and sell it to see a single isk. Dont post on subjects you have no idea about.


if you don't like doing it....why do you live there?
Mr Fondo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#90 - 2011-12-05 01:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Fondo
it was fine till this wave nerf


also why are u posting in a thread that has nothing to do with you?
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#91 - 2011-12-05 02:12:35 UTC
Mr Fondo wrote:
it was fine till this wave nerf


also why are u posting in a thread that has nothing to do with you?


says the alt...but really....it has everything to do with me...as this is an MMO where EVERYTHING IS TIED TOGETHER
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2011-12-05 02:30:43 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Offtopic and inappropriate posts removed.

Please keep it civil.

EDIT: As CCP Greyscale mentioned in another topic, we are considering switching drones to bounties in order reduce the income disparity in these regions. Would be happy to hear your opinions on this.


From someone still fairly new to the drone regions, i would welcome this.

In regards to loot drops, if you removed glossy and other compounds that game high end minerals, then all the better. Keep the Plush and precious etc in them

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Umega
Solis Mensa
#93 - 2011-12-05 03:35:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Umega
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Offtopic and inappropriate posts removed.

Please keep it civil.

EDIT: As CCP Greyscale mentioned in another topic, we are considering switching drones to bounties in order reduce the income disparity in these regions. Would be happy to hear your opinions on this.


While I am all for miners getting the income boost that would come of this, don't get me wrong..

Do you guys really think unleashing a Victoria sized isk faucet coupled with a mineral price spike is really the best route to take this? Idk.. I personally don't care as I would adapt, but I can already imagine the implications.

And having them drop 'sleeper' tags to sell to npcs is no different than isk on death bounty. Same thing, slightly more work.

IMO.. readjust their salvage drops, what kind.. how much.. yada yada. I think a wider player base would be more pleased with a rig cost reduction than an explosive market inflation from a massive isk waterfall turned on, coupled with a reduction in avialable minerals.

EDIT: And having drones drop/salvage something that only they can 'make' exist for the production of something would allow certain entities to complete control the market at this moment in time.. I personally have no horse in the race here.. but I would find that interesting, honestly. Might make the area.. more enticing to others and promote more null conflict which on a grand scale is.. lacking atm.

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Mr Fondo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2011-12-05 15:11:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Fondo
Umega wrote:
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Offtopic and inappropriate posts removed.

Please keep it civil.

EDIT: As CCP Greyscale mentioned in another topic, we are considering switching drones to bounties in order reduce the income disparity in these regions. Would be happy to hear your opinions on this.


While I am all for miners getting the income boost that would come of this, don't get me wrong..

Do you guys really think unleashing a Victoria sized isk faucet coupled with a mineral price spike is really the best route to take this? Idk.. I personally don't care as I would adapt, but I can already imagine the implications.

And having them drop 'sleeper' tags to sell to npcs is no different than isk on death bounty. Same thing, slightly more work.

IMO.. readjust their salvage drops, what kind.. how much.. yada yada. I think a wider player base would be more pleased with a rig cost reduction than an explosive market inflation from a massive isk waterfall turned on, coupled with a reduction in avialable minerals.

EDIT: And having drones drop/salvage something that only they can 'make' exist for the production of something would allow certain entities to complete control the market at this moment in time.. I personally have no horse in the race here.. but I would find that interesting, honestly. Might make the area.. more enticing to others and promote more null conflict which on a grand scale is.. lacking atm.



You act like there always has been drone regions.. the game was without alloys for years and years and was fine if not healthier. You acting like drone regions fell out of the sky and added 20,000 players.. the fact is those players have always been here. This would spike minerals for a short time but mining would actually become good agian and more and more people would mine and minerals prices would drop and stablize. To combat the isk faucet its simple.. TAKE INSURANCE OUT.<--- period
Chigger Troutslayer
Internet Spaceship Gamers
Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
#95 - 2011-12-05 16:56:09 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
Offtopic and inappropriate posts removed.

Please keep it civil.

EDIT: As CCP Greyscale mentioned in another topic, we are considering switching drones to bounties in order reduce the income disparity in these regions. Would be happy to hear your opinions on this.


I will totally forget about being kicked in the sack by this Horde nerf if you do this. Remove the alloys, and replace with bounties so Sanctum = Horde in payout. Mining wins to.

Oh and everyone keeps saying how tedious mining is, I'd rather have that than get carpal tunnel syndrome for looting all the drone wrecks just so I can make some isk.

The nerf/bugfix aside, I would like a dev to try this... hop on Sisi, run a Horde. Hop in a Noctis, loot and salvage the whole thing. Report on how much fun you had after you had from the time the last drone dies until the wrecks were cleared and the Noctis is full. The heck with the loot all button it still takes forever and tons of monotonous clicks. A "loot all within range" button is what is really needed for cleaning up these hordes.

So yes, please remove alloys and give bounties instead. Don't make tags because that still requires tons of boring clicking and shipping the tags to wherever they need to go to be sold.
Umega
Solis Mensa
#96 - 2011-12-05 21:56:50 UTC
Mr Fondo wrote:
You act like there always has been drone regions.. the game was without alloys for years and years and was fine if not healthier. You acting like drone regions fell out of the sky and added 20,000 players.. the fact is those players have always been here. This would spike minerals for a short time but mining would actually become good agian and more and more people would mine and minerals prices would drop and stablize. To combat the isk faucet its simple.. TAKE INSURANCE OUT.<--- period


You act like there is the same amount of players since drone regions came into existence and that there hasn't been consistent money printing going on..

Simply, no. There isn't the same amount of players nor the massive amount more isk in the game. Do you actually have a good arguement, or no?

It would not be a short term spike.. dellusional to think it would be some 'short term' spike. Simply look at what T3 did to mex so swiftly and the precentage at which that one mineral went up with the introduction of merely 4 ships.

The value of Isk will plummet if drone poo turns into bounty land coupled with a sharp downward supply of the very foundation of this economy, minerals. This is very basic stuff. What is 1m isk today, is 5m isk tomorrow.

Which is fine for me.. but I can already see the mob of people this is going to enrage, and the cries of fat cats getting fatter while the poor get weaker resound on the forums.

Making every null region the same is boring. Completely boring and such a bad, bad, bad idea to make it all Balanced. Balanced is the bane of every mmo.. none more so than EVE. If my neighbor makes the same as me.. why should I spend money to take over their land and stretch out my resources to hold the same valued land? Its poor strategy.. and very few leaders are going to promote long term, high end warfare for more turf. Such a thing will kill massive alliances brawling.. and that makes for a stagnate null. There needs to be diversity, difference across null. Make things desirable for different reasons.

If it is the same everywhere.. people are going to get bored doing the same, striving for the same thing over n over. Holding on the same gold chalice, dropping it, and grabbing another gold chalice that looks and acts the exactly the same but isn't. Oh how fun.

Every brass ring shouldn't be the same.

Yes buff mining.. remove minerals from drone regions. But lets not compound the situation by making another 30 federal mints printing currancy nonstop ontop of that. Bad, bad, bad idea imo.. in a number of different ways.

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#97 - 2011-12-05 22:46:19 UTC
Glad I moved from the drone region now.

Miners could never replace the amount of minerals that come from the drone region.

Everything will just get more expensive which is why miners are happy - they don't buy or lose as many ships as a pve or pvp player. Most are happy once the have a Hulk and an Orca. They buy the odd hulk when Hulk ganking season comes around but apart from that they are cost free.

More expensive ships just stops pvp and stops people experimenting with fits.

To give an opposite perspective to a miner:
I think plush should drop from all wrecks and salvaged wrecks should give ore too.
This would replace the ores that came from the drone region and help keep prices down - or maybe halve the material requirements on all Blueprints for the same effect.

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Thredd Necro
Doomheim
#98 - 2011-12-05 22:52:20 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Evgeniy Taran wrote:
Sorry guys but I didn't get where is the reason in nerf to Drone Hordes.
Before the nerf we had been making more efforts(salvage, collect, sale alloys or refine and build stuff) to earn the same money from dron region towards the regions with bounty.

And now, after last path you(CCP) presented gift for as. We cannot salvage while we do the horde which we need to do in order to get any money. This increases the time it takes to do a horde significantly. Which reduced ISK income.

Everything looks good by now, except drone regions. I think that we need to rework last changes that according to the drone regions.

Thanks. With hope that this problem will be solved.


Some regions arent as good as others?

Well I never Shocked


As it should be and yet the forums are full of requests to balance things that don't need balancing because financial pressure and natural selection can take care of things quite nicely without adding ISK into the economy to appease the spendthrifts.

EVE IS supposed to be dark and gritty not balanced and inviting like Hello Kitty (or WOW), at least I thought that was a selling point.

CCP addeth the drone hordes and CCP taketh away. EVE will survive...Blink

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Avila Cracko
#99 - 2011-12-05 23:21:45 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Glad I moved from the drone region now.

Miners could never replace the amount of minerals that come from the drone region.

Everything will just get more expensive which is why miners are happy - they don't buy or lose as many ships as a pve or pvp player. Most are happy once the have a Hulk and an Orca. They buy the odd hulk when Hulk ganking season comes around but apart from that they are cost free.

More expensive ships just stops pvp and stops people experimenting with fits.

To give an opposite perspective to a miner:
I think plush should drop from all wrecks and salvaged wrecks should give ore too.
This would replace the ores that came from the drone region and help keep prices down - or maybe halve the material requirements on all Blueprints for the same effect.


How i love ppl who are so lazy to earn anything so they want that everything is free.
Go play on SISI then... there is everything NPC seeded for 100 ISK... or that too is too much for you?

Eve is economy based game... when ppl get everything what they want they don't have goals any more and game become boring and they leave... why do you thing ppl play on TQ and not on SISI.

If you want to kill EVE do what this guy said.
If you want EVE to be alive, fix economy, raise prices so that ppl drive all ships in the game and not only few the best dead space fitted T2/T3 ships or super capitals and game will become interesting again. Ppl will think what they want and how to get it and that will push it further to play a game.

And to you "elite biter vets pvp monster players" you know you can pvp in ships that don't cost tens of billion ISK too.

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Nullbear Ranger
Doomheim
#100 - 2011-12-06 01:39:11 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
You are butthurt because I called you mighty? In what world is that a personal attack? I was commending your prowess.

But really, on a scale of 1 to copious amounts of vagisil, how butt hurt are you?

You're one of those guys that comes to a complete stop at a stop sign, waits 3 seconds, and slowly starts driving away again when its clear aren't you?

PS: I find it rather flattering that you are willing to put so much effort into defending the citizens of Missions and Complexes from all the trolls and meanies.


Emperor...why do you use vagisil in your butt? You been sharing toys again?...Shocked
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