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"Stealth" Nerf To Site Running Via On Grid Boosting

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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#41 - 2014-06-14 01:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Like the guy said, the change is coming, it's been telescoped ahead of time, hit EFT/Pyfa and get the maths done, get your fits sorted, get your tactics sorted and get on with it.

I have no problem whatsoever with forcing boosts on-grid. It means that the guys with the cunning fits for their booster alts will prevail and the guys who just brick tank all the things and make immobile punchingbag space potatoes will eventually lose.

Meanwhile the "pro" "solo" PVPers in lowsec will be getting a punch to the nuts for their business model which is investing 3.5B in a 1.5M ISK frigate to look elite (the vast majority of the ISK being in the link ship and implants, in case your brain works aat less than 100% capacity).

If there's any wormholers concerned about this, you are daft. The whole of wormhole PVP is #YOLO. You take dreads or carriers through a C5 to PVP, what's so hard about having your link ship on-grid? HTFU.

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#42 - 2014-06-14 02:02:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Trinkets friend wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Like the guy said, the change is coming, it's been telescoped ahead of time, hit EFT/Pyfa and get the maths done, get your fits sorted, get your tactics sorted and get on with it.

I have no problem whatsoever with forcing boosts on-grid. It means that the guys with the cunning fits for their booster alts will prevail and the guys who just brick tank all the things and make immobile punchingbag space potatoes will eventually lose.

Meanwhile the "pro" "solo" PVPers in lowsec will be getting a punch to the nuts for their business model which is investing 3.5B in a 1.5M ISK frigate to look elite (the vast majority of the ISK being in the link ship and implants, in case your brain works aat less than 100% capacity).

If there's any wormholers concerned about this, you are daft. The whole of wormhole PVP is #YOLO. You take dreads or carriers through a C5 to PVP, what's so hard about having your link ship on-grid? HTFU.


Like many people you've merely addressed one aspect of the way links are used.
O'nira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-06-14 11:35:26 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Nero Pantera wrote:
ExookiZ wrote:
You guys realize that having a ongrid booster makes running sites EASIER right? as long as its on grid boosting its the only ship you even need to rep.

I have seen plenty of roaming fleets have a ongrid booster with them, or even a couple, you cane asily tank a booster for brawling combat. Its the people that sit in their castles that are getting hurt, not the roamers. Theyre now forced to bring their boosts to the fight.


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

first off if its on grid...I CAN'T REP IT WITH A MOROS.
second...if i run sites the conventional way then it's not the only ship on grid. meaning the triage carrier will have to rep him, the rapier and maintain self reps. plus both the rapier and damnation will be neuted out....SOUNDS AWESOME I KNOW. Also if you run sites with a loki instead of a rapier....shame on you. That being said, lost a few rapiers in my day.
Quote from Nutmeg, "Why didn't you tell me you landed?" Me, "I told you I was in warp"

Suppose i'll be the first to raise my hand. yes sometimes I run sites solo. "Not actually solo because people help escalate"
I know people frawn upon it but we all do it and we all know how to do it. Beats people watching tv and making things painful for people like me who are actively engaged. Also doing it "Solo" makes things more intense. This also doesn't mean I'm super rich either. I don't have a super. I can't afford to officer fit my stuff. Just enough to fuel towers and fly caps. Heck I still pay for my accounts with USD

As for your roaming part. False. My corporation use to go roaming alot more frequently in nullsec when we had those boss t3 boosts. We still do. Just not as often.

Not that my personal opinion matters, but most people that are whining about boosts are people that don't have them and don't want to invest so they moan about it. It's another way of investing in a better performance. only it's not all about how much isk you spent on your ship.....it involves time, effort and using multiple screens =D.

ALL HAIL NUTMEGPAINTER OUR FEARLESS LEADER



if it ain't on grid and in actual danger then it shouldn't benefit you against whoever you are fighting on that grid.

risk vs reward.

the fact that you think they are balanced because you spent time on them is worse than the whole titans are balanced because they cost a lot.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#44 - 2014-06-14 16:36:50 UTC
I thimk that escallation on grid booster should not be that big problem. Command ship should be toughr than locky and still can efficiently use TPs so why not?
Justin Cody
War Firm
#45 - 2014-06-14 16:52:11 UTC
Meytal wrote:
While you certainly don't need boosts, getting that web range out past 40k is like a drug: you're hooked the first time you do it.

If you're benefiting the fleet, you should be present with the fleet. It may have an impact on C5/C6 sleeper escalations, but there are ways to mitigate that if you are creative. Maybe you'll need a few more ships, or maybe you'll need to use different ships, but it's far from anything difficult. In theory, that could mean more people, which is a good thing for a multiplayer game. In practice, "solo" players will probably just use more accounts or different ships or just being a little riskier.

The single biggest benefit is to opposing fleets: the booster will likely be tanked like crazy, but if you take it out, then you know you've significantly reduced your opponent's effectiveness. And that goes both ways.

It does seem exploit-y that you can receive benefit from fleet members who are off-grid and not immediately in danger; and I'm including the every day non-bonused squad leader boosts in this as well.



^THIS^
Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#46 - 2014-06-16 15:39:09 UTC
My belief is it'll all even out, no matter what CCP changes regarding boosting.

If sites get harder, fewer will get run and more people will be required.
This causes the price of T3 materials to go up.

In the end it'll reach a new equilibrium that'll be roughly the same as before.

In reality, the biggest thing affecting "payout" is the number of new players joining the game who want to buy T3s. I'm sure that affects the value of sleeper loot (and all loot) much more than anything we do in wormholes.
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-06-16 20:45:46 UTC
So in short train boosting skills on the loki/carrier alts or get a full tanky cs close to carrier or at 300km + .

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Alundil
Rolled Out
#48 - 2014-06-17 14:21:14 UTC
So I made my idea a formal F&I proposal oh god.

Please support, or not, as your preference dictates.

I'm right behind you
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#49 - 2014-06-18 23:30:25 UTC
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