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The Avenging Angels-The Story of Amarrian Vengeance

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-06-18 05:43:25 UTC
Chapter 14 For God and Empire. The Eugidi Campaign

Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?
Will you chew until it bleeds?
Can you get up off your knees?
Are you brave enough to see?
Do you want to change it?

What if this whole crusade's
A charade
And behind it all there's a price to be paid
For the blood
On which we dine
Justified in the name of the holy and the divine
Just how deep do you believe?

Nine Inch Nails


November 2012

It only took a day or two for us to digest the current warzone and what needed to be done. We barely had time to settle down in Sahtogas for a day and hand out the esteemed inner corp Caldari Campaign Medals. The most welcome sight any Amarrian Vengeance pilot could wish for was already flashing our screens up. Another Corp mail was sent out to restock FAST as it was time to deploy for a new Campaign. The Amarrian Minmatar warzone has changed forever and we had to move fast to capitalize on this.

TRIAD is a corp as old as the winds of the Minmatar resistance. They made their home out of Eszur. Eszur was a natural choke point for the whole Amarr Minmatar warzone. The average day for any given TRIAD pilot had to include the permanent gate camp set up on the Hofjaldgund gate. That gate camp was a serious problem for any Amarr pilot wishing to run a few missions to feed his/her much starved wallet.

In fact many an Amarr pilot kept their mission boats in Minmatar highsec to avoid that gatecamp as pretty much 95% of the missions handed out by 24th Imperial Crusade where in Metropolis. Getting into metropolis meant you HAD to go through the gates of Eszur from Hof.

CCP changed that.

CCP added a gate connecting Kurn to Isbrabata. Another gate was made connecting Siseide to Eszur (this meant Fweddit were only two jumps from TRIAD now).

I can’t begin to tell you how much this change was a sigh of relief to all the Amarr. It meant we had multiple access points into and out of Metropolis for one. It also meant that TRIAD couldn’t apply a permanent chokehold on the only pipe available for Amarr pilots to make isk. Suddenly the naked backside of the minmatar (backwater Metropolis) was wide open and begging for an Amarrian thrust.

Needless to say Amarrian Vengeance was more than happy to spearhead that thrust.

Aset

This was the target. This needed to fall ASAP as it now became prime real estate. Connecting a plethora or Metropolis systems it could easily be used to flip systems in the minmatar backyard relieving the pressure on the PvP melting pot and minmatar/Amarr warfare trench that was Kourmonen.

TRIAD reacted slightly to the change by setting up a forward operating base in Isbrabata. I guess old habit die hard so they thought ya another choke point for us to perma camp the Kurn gate and catch would be Amarr missioners trying to avoid our main gate camp in Eszur.

Ushrakhan also set up permanent shop in Isbrabata. They were going to be the main opposition in this campagn.
When I asked Flyinghotpocket who lived in Isbrabata right after the Campaign orders went out via corp mail and he answered Ushrakhan. My head was spinning.

It is hard to explain to you why my head would be spinning here because really to understand who Ushrakhan were you really needed to be an Old Guard EVE player. Someone that has been around for more than four years. I can already see a few CVA and Agony Unleashed pilots smile as they read this paragraph because they know exactly what I mean.

When I first started playing EVE In 2010 I was just another Ibis flying through a noobi highsec system with an NPC school as my home. I had nothing but an ibis with one unit of trit in my cargo hold and a great big WTF look on my face. Someone posted a highsec recruitment post in local and I joined them. Two weeks later I was told our corp was moving to Providence to fight CVA.

Ushrakhan back in 2010 where 0.0 landlords. Extremely heavy hitting nullsec serious business spaceships with connection to shady AAA Russians that took Providence from CVA under the guise of ‘We came for our People’. Agony Unleashed was part of that Provibloc and that is where I met them and came to admire them as any my little badger slipped through their bubbles and systems under the watchfull eyes of of what seemed to me at the time a terrifying ship called a Jaguar or some other T2 ship I wished I could fast forward a year or two in SP to fly.

I was dumbfounded by EVE Online and hadn’t the slightest clue what I was doing. All of a sudden I was a tiny Condor or Merlin fighting in a HUGE nullsec war not even knowing wtf was going on. Go back to battleclinic. Check my first kill in EVE ever and you will see what I mean.

So EVE Online is now coming full circle again and the name Ushra Khan that I once feared and admired as a HUGE 0.0 alliance was living in Isbrabata?! And I was going to fight them? Yes and yes.

The fight for Aset was a hard one. We had the initiative and the Minmatar were slow to realize what we were doing so we got to flip It in two days or so I might be mistaken. Making sure we drove the point home we moved all our assets to an Aset station. We made a loud statement that we were going to be there for a long time as our ultimate goal was to eat away at the wide open systems of metropolis and flip them for the Amarr.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-06-18 05:49:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
The Minmatar soon wised up though. And suddenly without any real system control fights going on anywhere else at the time it was easy for the Minmatar to funnel all the force they had to retake Aset from us.

We fought hard and banged the intell channels for support from all the three Amarr towers. InExile, Fweddit, Agony anyone and everyone willing to come help us keep Aset.

The only problem here was any force projection from our allies was going to be temporary. We where the only ones that go all in and move everything we have with us when we go out on a campaign. If an Agony pilot went down they had to pod all the way back to Kamela to reship. If a Fweddit or InExile pilot went down he had to pod all the way back to Egglehende to reship.

Unlike the minmatar they had rapid reshipping options in Isbrabata as we did for the short time we held onto Aset.

In the end though. We failed. I say we because if was a combined failure for all the Amarr to lose that initial fight. It took our leadership a few weeks after Aset was recaptured by the Minmatar to grab each and every Amar PVP corp leader and explain to them WHY we needed to control Aset. We were basically scattering the Minmatar and making them choose which front they wanted to focus their blob on.

It took a long time for us to get everyone onboard our vision of how to split the warzone. Not everyone promised to lend a hand but they did promise to turn up the pressure coming from both Egglehende and Kamela. That’s all we really needed was someone to distract the LNA/Iron Oxide/TRIAD blob long enough for us to set up a new status qou in Metropolis and ultimately to the Amarr Minmatar Warzone.

Being what we are we decided this fight was far from over and Aset will fall no matter how many ships we have to throw into the fire to get it done. Another forward operating base was set up for Amarrian Vengeance in Kurn. Time to dig in this not going to be an easy campaign.

We couldn't do this alone and it was time we reached out to the most Loyal Amarr corporation ever a corporation that would be MORE than happy to fight Ushra Khan.

It was time to call Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris.

To Be Continued......

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Galinius Valgani
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2014-06-18 07:08:44 UTC
How dare you...stop telling the story here.

More!

Nice read. Thanks.
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-06-18 07:20:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
Chapter 15 We come for your people

“all we ask our allies to do is bleed with us”

Fweddit and InExile Delivered on their promise.

They pushed Eszur the home system of TRIAD hard with plexing fleets. TemFed even pitched in promising to hit Lantorn and keep Sasawong busy defending his home system. Zarnak Wulf the so called King of Vard plexed up Vard like crazy.

ShirakSkunk works quickly moved into Vard renforcing Zarnak and started to plex Dal. Dal is crucial for the Minmatar as it is a major mission hub so any deplexing alts the Minmatar had where pretty much tied up deplexing three crucial systems.

Soon the pressure was on the minmatar to react to the flare up of multiple threats and they couldn’t focus their entire blob on Aset. This is all we needed really because this meant we could do our thing without facing the entire Minmatar militia.

During our second push in the Eugidi campagn we borught along a few friends.

To my surprise Amarrian Vengeance leadership have extensive ties and relationships with the old Amarrian Guard. PIE it seems were more than happy to kick Ushra Khan in the teeth with us. While the Initial support from PIE was small, once a few of them tasted Ushra Khan Blood they started to come out of the woodwork and focus pressure with us.

Cynthia Nezmor was also called upon. All I can really say about Cynthia Nezmor is that she/he is like the Amarrian stig (from Top Gear fame) we never heard her/his voice on comms and PvP’ing with her/him/it is done through text chat. But don’t be fooled. Cynthia Nezmor is a one man army. Don’t believe me? Ask any Minmatar pilot who Cynthia Nezmor is. Best part? She is so full of rage and anger getting banned multiple times from EVE for one thing or another said in local. Now this is our kind of pilot. Additionally if you are in a minmatar corporation odds are pretty high that a Cynthia Nezmor alt is either a director or pretty damn close to becoming one.

Another ally was a small polish corporation full of nothing but balls deep courage for the cause. They were small and unheard of but they fought hard for Sahtogas and will always be deeply respected by us KOZA Z PIEKLA a Polish gang of Amarr PvP’ers. They have a permanent place in all our Intel channels.

Last but defiantly not least we needed a strong Euro time zone presence and Space Brewery Association was there to cover that gap.

Ushra Khan was reeling from the sudden withdraw of Minmatar support and the sudden counter attack by the combined above mentioned forces coming from Kurn. Cynthia Nezmore provided us with all of Ushra khans internal corpmails and let me tell you. The begging and pleading they were doing in those mails for help from LNA/Iron Oxide/TRIAD was hilarious. It seemed they really were more fragile than we thought.

Ushra Khan curled up back into Isbrabata, defensive plexing it like crazy and giving up on keeping Aset. They focused everything they had on making sure the contested rate of Isbra was low. This was perfect for us as it only meant Aset was reclaimed faster than expected Fweddit provided the hammer needed for the IHUB bash. Once again we moved assets there and so did the newly founded makeshift alliance of the above mentioned corps.

Ushra Khan was definitely not the Ushra Khan of 2010. They were a shell of their former glory and most of the people willing to PvP where new pilots so they really never stood a chance when they were all alone.

There was little they could do detached from the rest of the Minmatar and to be honest. In my humble opinion Ushra Khan did not fall victim to Amarrian Vengeance’s elite PvP as much as they kind of shot themselves in their own foot by deploying so far from the Minmatar power hubs.

Nothing they did seemed to stop us. We were to much for them. Finally, in what can only be an act of desperation. They dropped a carrier on our gang. After the Amarr settled in next door in Aset Isbrabata fell. I almost feel sorry for some of those new pilots fighting for Ushra Khan…….Almost

At the end of the campaign we made new friends, people that bled with us during the Eugidi campaign. That is the ultimate bond and we were happy to have our new found allies get a taste of what we do and decide they really liked it and wanted to be part of any of our future campaigns.

Amarrian Vengeance got a taste for something new. Something good. Something we decided we wanted more of. Amarrian Vengeance got a taste of the sweet victory that came from flipping a home system of a major minmatar corporation. The Minmatar should have never let us taste that kind of blood as the decision to let us flip a home system would ultimately come back and haunt them forever. They say once a Tiger gets a taste of human flesh he must it must be killed. It aquires a taste for it. It become a Man Eater.

And thus the Bond between Amarrian Vengeance and PIE was born.

A bond that will serve us well in our future campaign

To Be Continued……

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#45 - 2014-06-18 09:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Colt Blackhawk
Great stuff.
Btw when Blackwatch defended Sahtogas the Oyonata gate was called the "Orgon Gate".
Some noob alliance called "iprot" (my first fw toon that got trashed laters "learned" pvp there) helped Blackwatcxh defending Saht and it was more than hilarious.
Btw you could also mention "S0re" and "Hopeless Addiction". I fought with Agony during the Kourm Campaign and remember how they got burned out by steady plexing (Greygal didn´t want to defplex any more). Agony went inactive October/November 2012 and "S0re" = "Forced Penetration" (I really LOVED my eve time in that corp) was creating an alliance of 400 pilots and some 1000(!!!) Dusties to Defend Kam.
In the end we had some hilarious battles in Jan/Feb 2013 in Kam where we lost Kam in the end for a week or two but hey I remember we made Kamela the most dangerous system in eve for several weeks.

Edit: Tbh you missed the most dark times of amarr in July/August 2012. Yeah I know we had some guys from Nulli Secunda but you know how bad they were. I mean 0.0 boys in lowsec is a joke. They welped royally and gave the minnies free kills.
Remember when the 0.0bears from Nulli left August 2012was minnie permablob in Sahtogas.
Btw these great fwedditors also got butthurt at the beginning^^
July/August 2012 was a catastrophe. Fweddit ran away, same with wolfies, same with amarrian retribution, Nulli was free nullbear kills for the minnies and Blackwatch somehow never recovered from these "months of hell".
Won´t forget when fweddit moved to calmil (oh there was also a nice story about a civil war between amarrians in2012...) around July 2012 after getting butthurt to come back some months later.
The day fweddit came back we formed a fleet with Agony, took some jumps to Egg and wrote like mad "WE LOVE YOU PINKY" in local.

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-06-18 09:34:06 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Three Years of Amarrian History in two paragraphs Lol


Wow colt slow down there buddy. I really couldn't be everywhere at once so really I am trying my best to highlight the History of Amarr Militia from my eyes.

I am not disputing nor confirming anything you wrote there. But I couldn't write about something I didn't witness and/or see with my own eyes.

Dont worry we are going to get to all that. We are following a very tight timeline to keep it as accurate as humanly possible.

Funny you should mention dark time for the amar though. As it seems we reached that point in our history where the Amarr are about to take a very dark turn indeed.

To Be Continued...........

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#47 - 2014-06-18 15:30:55 UTC
Tell me about it, one time on average we had 40 pilots in militia chat in eu tz at most. Crazy.

Anyway, stalking awesome read and i don't get a propganda warning as you've done well to write it from your perspective. I would say though the fights for SIS and AUGA from our perspective have been some of the longest hardest campaigns ever fought. we bled, hard and got little support doing so. We did of course suffer from vets that just didn't do plexing but we also grew one of the greatest alliances of players in amarr FW and to this day sis stands, now auga. For how long? no idea but I'll be damned if i let it fall while I have ships in my hangers :P

P.S. joining you guys in eugidi was fun as hell btw. Not going to lie, part of it was because I was curious if you guys were as much of a bunch of cocks as you make out but you're not. Tenacious Bastards one and all of you and amarr are better for it. Even if we don't exactly gel internally all the time :P
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#48 - 2014-06-18 17:12:25 UTC
Stalking i really tried to help you with the timeline here and i guess the aset campaign you kinda went afk for it so let me tell the accurate time tables.

We moved into aset, with KOZA Z PIELKA holding it for many years prior. we held aset for a month. during the week before the new stargates were created they used a carrier against us. (that video of us killing the carrier, you can see MINOR plexs which means before the new plexs).

We only held onto aset for a week after the new stargate was created as support from arzad (iron oxidie) was now only 6 jumps away and not 69.

The militia pushed elsewhere and TRIAD withdrew their FOB in isbrabata

we moved out of aset the day it was captured by the minmatar to kurn rejoined militia the next day, and we fought for isbrabata and reclaimed it within a week, aset too.

the rest of ushra'khan was at war with LNA so, LNA would routinely come up and hotdrop ushra'khan and other minmatar. Ushra'khan moved to eszur.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#49 - 2014-06-18 18:09:28 UTC
Stalking Mantis I do enjoy reading this thread. But I think a few things should be made clear not just for historical purposes but also so you understand what some of the amarr outside amarrian retribution dealt with before and immediately after inferno. Also I think it’s good that all pilots in the amarr militia know where the others are coming from.

Stalking Mantis wrote:
Chapter 8 Inferno and the Three Towers

.....
The third Tower of Power in the Amarrian Castle is Egglehende. Fearing the worst from the pressure applied to the pipe from houla up to auga, dal and Sesiede Muad Dib and the rest of Imperial Fed rushed there assets to Egglehende. So did the Imperial Outlaws led by Shalee Lian and Almity. Egglehende was the new Tower for those not sure they will be able to hold onto their bases in Auga. TRIAD and the Power house that is Sasawong were leading the assault on that front and clearing our Amarr systems in from Siseide, lantorn, vard, dal all the way down to Auga......


Egglehende was the new home for pilots not yet familiar with the new mechanics of plex fighting. It could never fall as it was not part of the Amarrian Minmatar warzone BUT it was conveniently one jump from that warzone and two jumps from the old Amarrian Tower of Agua.

....



I realize this is your perception. But I just wanted to correct a few things. Imerial OutLaws was not based out of Auga when inferno was coming. We had just rebased from otosella (were the corp had been taking a break from the fw front killing test like fish in a barrel) to arzad. Beside the main base of Arzad we also were planning on having a few other bases throughout the warzone - at least before we found out about the lockout change.

We understood plex fighting. And in fact flipped systems around and including arzad after the lockouts and vp decrease/plex were announced but before inferno hit. The fact that it was going to take 5xs as many plexes to flip a systems was a huge issue on the mind of those who had an interest in the plexing game before inferno. At least it was something that loomed large for ILaw pilots who liked to plex. This massive change is often left out of the discussions and history is reinvented as if station lock outs were the only reason people were desperately trying to plex before inferno. This was yet another reason why the bug/exploit before inferno was such a huge blow to amarr plexers.

The bug/exploit was that you could keep a cloaked ship in a closed plex and no other plexes would spawn! Hence it was very easy for minmatar to hold systems leading up to inferno. We ran into this issue more than a few times as we were plexing systems around our base of Arzad. We discussed what we should do and decided not to engage in the exploit ourselves but just keep trying to take the systems without cheating. But after a few nights of having no plexes spawn it was clear that was futile.

FW players asked ccp to address the bug/exploit you can see the old forum posts. I sent at least one petition asking for this to please be addressed before the massive consequences came. But this did not happen. If the plexes stop spawning you can't take a system. Moving to Egg was the best course of action by far.

Its possible Sahtogas may not have had to deal with this issue, because perhaps unlike Arzad it was not a system where both amarr and minmatar were based. I'm not saying that we would have been able to take arzad back again it would have been interesting though. I am saying that it was literally impossible for us to take arzad because the game was literally broken.

Also for clarity sake at the beginning of inferno until October 22nd 2012 you did not get more lp with higher tiers. You could buy more for less lp when you were at a higher tier. So amarr could make just as many lp as minmatar even when they were atr tier 1. This built up a natural pressure for the losing militia to organize and make a push to cashout. Also you received no lp for defensive plexing.

Ceratain Amarr leaders failed to understand the consequences of these mechanics until very late. (either that or they were just pretending not to know this because they were making isk with minmatar alts.) So Amarr would often spend time defensive plexing and also flipping systems as soon as they were vulnerable. This just fed the minmatar farm, and lead to a very large disparity in what the pvp corps could bring out to fight with. We still don’t have an idea of just how much isk was made from the minmatar lp store during that time. I can only imagine. But I do know we could not make close to the isk we could pre inferno since our missions were out and the minmatar were able to drop faction stabbers like they were t1 fit rifters.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#50 - 2014-06-18 18:10:55 UTC
Also just an interesting fact- at the time inferno hit sasawong had more vp than any minmatar corporation. And there were several long standing minmatar corps. I don't think there was another minmatar pilot even close to sasawong. The fact that certain minmatar pvp corps were claiming they were winning due to "superior tactics" was pretty unbearable to hear.

Plus there was a very real difference in npcs that allowed minmatar/sasawong to capture more plexes leading up to inferno and right after inferno. Not to mention the fact that the disparaty in rats lead many pilots to choose minmatar militia instead of amarr for the easy isk from missions. This lead to plenty of bitterness that ccp would hand this huge advantage to the minmatar. I just want you to understand that there were in fact amarr groups interested in plexing and trying to play the game right beside amarrian retribution.

Amarrian vengeance/retibution did take a hard line even against people running minmatar missions with alts. Missions do not effect warzone control. So yeah that lead to some unnecessary inter-militia strife.
IMO pre-inferno amarr plexers never recovered their morale from the initial screwing ccp gave us by putting such huge consequences on a broken and imbalanced system. This lead several/most people to just admit the game was broken and pursue faction war as easy isk. Those who did quickly trade sides to minmatar could make all the isk they would ever need in eve.

That said I was proud to fly with Imperial Outlaws who I believe was the only corp whose pilots stuck with amarr through every hardship and never changed militias.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#51 - 2014-06-18 18:29:28 UTC
Cearain wrote:
That said I was proud to fly with Imperial Outlaws who I believe was the only corp whose pilots stuck with amarr through every hardship and never changed militias.


Unless you're counting brief periods of dropping out of militia, there's plenty of corps that have stuck with Amarr through hardships and not changed militias.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#52 - 2014-06-18 18:33:34 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Cearain wrote:
That said I was proud to fly with Imperial Outlaws who I believe was the only corp whose pilots stuck with amarr through every hardship and never changed militias.


Unless you're counting brief periods of dropping out of militia, there's plenty of corps that have stuck with Amarr through hardships and not changed militias.



There are corps that have, and I don't mean to exclude them. But I wouldn't say "plenty" have.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2014-06-18 18:51:00 UTC
Great read.

Moar Stalking Mantis and less Cearain please. Blink
Rin Valador
Professional Amateurs
#54 - 2014-06-18 18:52:45 UTC
This has been a fantastic read so far and I really cannot wait until the next chapter.


Makes me want to put on the colors of PIE again and venture forth in my slicer!

"There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10

Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#55 - 2014-06-18 19:12:55 UTC
Cearain We had just rebased from otosella (were the corp had been taking a break from the fw front killing test like fish in a barrel) to arzad.
[/quote wrote:

[quote=Cearain]
That said I was proud to fly with Imperial Outlaws who I believe was the only corp whose pilots stuck with amarr through every hardship and never changed militias.


i guess if we just left amarr a couple times and killed neutrals its not the same as leaving amarr to help our allies.

you have no idea how hard it is to resist debunking 80% of what you just said cearain. Rest assured i will respond to this after stalking tells his story with much greater detail on why EXACTLY we left amarr the 2nd time. stalking covered one of the major reasons (bomber alts) but there was so much more.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-06-18 20:09:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
Imperial Outlaws; as far as I remember lived in Arzad along with Iron Oxide at the same time I met the guys from Amarrian Retribution.

They were in a constant fight with Iron Oxide over plexes at the time (pre inferno). But no matter how many plex fights were won during the American timezone for Imperial Outlaws, all there plexing work was deplexed when they went to sleep and the Euro time zoned Iron Oxide logged in.

This was very clear from one of the first videos I posted. In it you clearly see and Imperial Outlaws fleet fighting for a plex in Arzad way before Inferno hit. You can even hear FIRST GENERAL in that video so plex fighting was not unheard of. Just not the pure focus of everyone as it came to be after Inferno.

Plex fighting for most before Inferno was kind of like a pass time hobby when things were slow with roaming instead of an all out philosophy or a reason for being.

I hesitated about mentioning Arzad as Imperial Outlaws home at the time I met Amarrian Retiribution.

But the end result of the pre Inferno push is everyone from Imperial Outlaws and everyone that lived in Auga moved to Egglehende.

Just to be clear I am not saying everyone that initially moved to Egglehende didn't know how to plex. They just didn't have enough to bring to the table to fight the combined forces that seemed to be falling out of the sky at the time.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#57 - 2014-06-18 21:08:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
FHP

The trip to Oto happened before the inferno changes were even announced. Ilaw didn't ever leave amarr militia. And while we were in oto I did plex around todifraun and evati. Test just happened to decide to base out of the same station we picked. They weren't friendly to us so I law pilots killed them in so many numbers Ilaw made "the news":

http://archive.evenews24.com/2012/02/08/test-a-different-kind-of-alliance/

When he talks about needing that caldari lp to replenish the coffers I can relate.

Anyway I am interested in Mantis's views. It helps me understand where he is coming from even if I disagree with some of what he says. You might do the same with what I write.


I don't mind if you want to try to "debunk" what I said. Such a discussion might be helpful as we both might learn a bit, but lets let mantis tell his story here. I just wanted to give him a few facts about ILAW leading up to and right after inferno hit.

If that was meant personally against me for leaving the faction war occupancy war altogether, that's fine. Faction war occupancy was broken so I left it. It might still be broken but I am giving it another try.


Edit:
Mantis what you wrote in the last post is much more accurate. It was definitely a time zone thing. But if I recall right we did take arzad and a few other systems around our basethere but then lost it again. It took allot less time to flip a system before inferno. (they made a change that allowed plexes to spawn faster before inferno and each plex was worth 5xs toward constesting a system as it is post inferno.) Then the exploit started to be used by someone in the mimatar militia. I have no idea who it was and refuse to guess, as most of the people we fought around there would not stoop to that. CCP refused to fix the bug before the consequences went live. So it was impossible for us to retake our home so we had to move.

Whether we would have won it without the bug - I can't say. We never had a chance to even consider it due to the literally broken mechanic.

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-06-18 21:21:09 UTC
Cerain let's not turn this thread into one of your four page debates please.

If you have another story to tell by all means go tell it in another thread. But please leave this thread be.

I have no problems with people chiming in and correcting any mistakes I make. Remember this is like three years of memories So i am bound to make a mistake here or there. But derailing the thread into a debate? No thanks.

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#59 - 2014-06-18 23:04:05 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-06-19 00:47:05 UTC
Chapter 16 The Dalamo

Forth! And fear no darkness!
Arise! Arise riders of Theoden!
Spears shall be shaken! Shields shall be splintered!
A Sword day….a red day….and the sun rises!
Ride now! Ride Now! Ride for ruin…….and the worlds ending!
Death!.........Death!
DEATH!!!!!

December 7th, 2012 Ushra Khan finally gives the word to abandon their home system of Isbrabata.The Eugidi Campagn is Over. The Amarr took an entire metropolis constellation from the minmatar with Aset as its main base.

What started out as a simple diversionary tactic applied by Fweddit, InExile and TemFed to pull minmatar reinforcements away from Ushr Khan started to snowball. With corporations like Shirak Skunkworks (excellent pvp’ers by the way)moving into Vard and Sasawong pushed back to defend Lantorn. It was starting to look like another crack in the minmatars armor was formed.

Over the course of a month the area in and around Dal became a hotspot for PVP as the above mentioned corps turned the diversionary tactic into a full on assault.

Dal

A very important part of the Minmatar Crown. An Extremly important mission hub cutting the minmatar off from that was a crucial step in stemming the tide of farmers pushing the Amarr down and keeping the Minmatar at high tiers.

One must remember the recent influx of new corps into the Amarr (mainly Fweddit and Agony) have not yet been properly applied as a united attack force. I mean sure they flew together from time to time and had skirmishes with the minmatar as well as pirates here and there throughout the warzone but to properly channel all the Amarr into one offensive fighting force to achieve a single goal that was yet to happen.

That changed with Dal in January 2013. For the first time in ages the Minmatar got a taste of what a unified Offensive Amarr force tasted like. After months and months of being splintered and barely resembling a united Militia the Amarr rose as one and charged as one at a single goal.

Many of the current Amarr refer to the Dalamo when they stare defeat in the face. Properly so I might add it reminded us all that if we put all our hands together the Minmatar will scatter to the four winds. Stripped of all the farmers the Minmatar are actually not as strong as one might think. Sure they can afford shiny toys but in reality they really don’t know how to use them as shown here in this video how they couldn’t properly fly armor hacs the way they were supposed to be flown. All they really have to their advantage is numerical superiority.

That numerical superiority however was not going to be enough when all three towers combined there force projection on Dal.. (Notice the combined coolness of Almity target calling and comms discipline being quietly reinforced by Agony pilots as they give Almity reassuring pushes)

The only problem with keeping the momentum up enough for Dal to fall was the availability of ships. Again losing a ship for anyone in fleet meant a three or four system jump to reship and come back. We needed Dal to fall as fast as possible as we were not sure how long we could keep this combined momentum going and the last thing we wanted was to waste this golden opportunity as Amarr slowly started to lose interest and drop from the combined operation.

Enter Super Chair.

Remember our friend from the Caldari that was with us in both Caldari campaigns? Allies are good and smart allies are better. Thankfully Super Chair (a very well known Caldari FC) decided Caldari pvp was slow and he wanted to join us and have some fun.

Plexing Dal was a 24 hour fleet operation. The fleet for Dal never went down and command of the fleet went in shifts between RTSAvalanche and Muad Dib from TemFed to Almity from InExile to Superchair and Flyinghotpocket of Amarrian Vengeance and even a few from Agony stepped up when burnout set in on some of the Amarr FCs. The fleet never stood down and was kept up for days until Dal was burned to the ground.

Super Chair went all out on this one and I believe the Dalamo never would have happened if it was not for one simple fact that many on the field overlooked.

Super Chair was tired of seeing people lost to go reship miles away. So Amarrian Vengeance spent close to half a billion in ships mass fitted and ready to rock and carrier jumped them into Seiside. Rail Cormorants and blaster merlins were put up for public contract at jita cost. More than 200 prefit and ready to go Merlins and Cormorants were put up on public contract in Sieside and that made a world of difference.

People that lost ships fighting in the novice and small plexes had only to travel one jump from Dal to Sieside to buy a ship of contract and jump right back into the fight.

With control over every size plex possible now the fleet was kept alive for more than 72 hours.

It was a complete success and for the first time in ages the minmatar got a proper dose of combined Amarrian might they gave a good fight dont get me wrong. It was just extremly clear to all Amarr that over the course of three days they could not push away the combined onslaught.

Every single Amarrian corporation was part of the Dalamo. No exceptions. Together the Amarr could do anything now.

here are a few battle reports feel free to look them all up if you want.
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To be continued……

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