EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hey guys,
i hear that if one is in a freighter, the "red line" of gank risk is 1 bil isk.
For a standart indy T1 ship - 100 mil

What is it for a fully tanked Impel (T2 hauler)
I know that i cant be 100 % safe about ganks, but to be in the "rather safe zone"
TY guys.

[Impel, Semi-AFK Tank]

Damage Control II
Energized EM Membrane II
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Inertia Stabilizers II

EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Stats (with level 5 skills):
Effective Hitpoints: ~110,000
Cargohold (in m3): 3100 cargohold + 62k fleet hanger = 65k total space
Align time: ~16 seconds
Note: I tried to fit a 1600 plate on this ship but it requires too much powergrid and resulted in less overall EHP.



[Catalyst, Cheapo Suicide Ganker]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I

Upgraded 1MN Microwarpdrive I
[empty med slot]

Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Damage per second: 330 (380 overheated)
Total market value: 1.6 million
Damage over 20 seconds (time for CONCORD response in 0.5 system): ~7,600... assuming perfect application


Impel: 110,000 / 7,600 = 14.47 Catalysts required to gank... costing a minimum of ~23 million in operational cost/risk for the gankers.


Notes:

- the numbers do not tell the whole story. In order to pull off the gank as pictured above your assailants would have to perfectly apply their damage... which never happens due to an innumerable amount of variables (out of range, not enough tracking, weapon sig radius, came out of warp too far, etc, etc).
So you would more realistically be dealing with 25 to 30 ganking Catalysts costing 40 to 50 million ISK.

- remember that any loot from your ship has a 50% drop rate. For the best possible profit margin gankers will look for cargo that is double or more the operational costs/risk they put into the gank. Plus you have to factor in that the gankers have to pay for their support network too (for grabbing the cargo, selling it, buying and shipping new ganking ships, etc).
So for this Impel fit, you are looking at 100 to 200 million worth of cargo as the limit.

- There are various implants you can buy that will increase your raw hull, armor, and shield HP by 1 to 5%. And there is an implant set called Slaves that can drastically increase your raw armor amount by 20 to 50% (depending on whether you get low, mid, or high-grade).

- another fit you can try involves fitting a MWD and "pulsing" it (turn it on and off) when you initiate warp. I have not tried it on DST yet, but it makes the Orca effectively instawarp.

You should be able to use mwd+cloak trick on a DST. Maybe you need 1 agility mod or rig.

Safest way to travel, imo.

Ummmm... do note that this is the newbie section. Those of us who post here regularly TRY to be a little more realistic when it comes to fits.
Your "average Joe" is not going to invest hundreds of millions of ISK worth of mods just to haul a hundred million worth of stuff.

Plus (while I discourage doing it) you can sort of AFK with the fit I provided. Yes, you will not be able to overheat and get better resistances... but all convenience comes with a price.
Again... this is the newbie section. Realism is required here.

btw... posting the fit won't result in it being nerfed. There are more than a few public threads about the ridiculousness of DST ships. Did you know that in certain wormholes you can get the resistances above 100%? You do not want to do this however... as the game code will have a brainfart when this happens and cause all weapons, regardless of type or ammo, to deal infinite damage to the DST... causing a very expensive explosion.

EFT. Look in the ships & mods forum for the thread.

Fair enough, but he did ask for fully tanked. There are questions in here about freighters as well and yet those costs more than the ship + fit I'm proposing.


[Impel, EHP High-Sec Final]

Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II

Small Capacitor Booster II (Navy Cap Booster 400)
Corelum B-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive

800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Core X-Type Armor EM Hardener
2x Core B-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Core X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Core C-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

2x Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

1000x Nanite Repair Paste
20x Navy Cap Booster 400

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1 million EHP
815k EHP without links
625k EHP without links and imps

The T2 version of this fit:
520k EHP
420k EHP without links
265k EHP without links and imps

While the deadspace fit is pricey, it is certainly worth the price of admission as you become more-or-less ungankable even without the links and implants.

Gank alts aren't actually disposable, CCP tends to frown very heavily on that particular practice.

Try biomassing an alt with negative sec status, or one that has recently had negative sec status, then see how fast CCP come down on you like a ton of bricks.

CCP consider it to be an exploit, and they actively pursue people who do it.

Well, let's see here. You've biomassed a character with -5.0 sec rating or worse and then immediately created a new one four times in the past six months. This is all perfectly visible to CCP, of course. How do you avoid getting caught?

The problem with doing that is that I dont think you can run a trial account on a computer that is running a paid client.