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Need confirmation on fleet over wardec mechanics
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Khadann
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-06-18 17:27:58 UTC
Hi all,

Some IRL friends proposed me to join them for some L4 missions.
Their corporation is currently in wardec. Mine is not.

If i join their fleet, will their opponents be able to atack me without concord reacting?
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-06-18 17:32:32 UTC
No.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-06-18 18:16:33 UTC
You may also be able to rep them without becoming a legal target to their war targets, but I'm not sure.

Hope someone can clarify. Cara?

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Mr Duffo
SQUIDS.
#4 - 2014-06-18 19:16:59 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
You may also be able to rep them without becoming a legal target to their war targets, but I'm not sure.

Hope someone can clarify. Cara?


remote repping neutral target will make you a suspect

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-06-18 19:18:55 UTC
Mr Duffo wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
You may also be able to rep them without becoming a legal target to their war targets, but I'm not sure.

Hope someone can clarify. Cara?


remote repping neutral target will make you a suspect
Ty!

Always? Or does he need to have LE with someone?

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2014-06-18 19:50:20 UTC
Always.

Limited engagement timer happens when someone shoots you (allowing you to shoot back)... which anyone can as you will be a "Suspect" for remote repairing someone in an engagement of their own.

How did you Veterans start?
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-06-18 19:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
The mechanics are a little different for war targets vs. other forms of engagement, since no limited engagement timer is created for pilots at war (since they can legally shoot each other already).

The result is the same though. In addition to inheriting any flags of the person you are repping (repping a suspect will make you suspect), repping someone in a limited engagment and repping a non-corpmate war target with a capsuleer log-off timer will both earn you a suspect flag of your own.

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-06-18 20:22:56 UTC
Honestly, just leave your safeties on green to prevent yourselves from losing something expensive to byzantine game mechanics.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-06-18 22:04:29 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
Honestly, just leave your safeties on green to prevent yourselves from losing something expensive to byzantine game mechanics.


This. But what Cara said is correct.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-06-18 22:08:30 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
The mechanics are a little different for war targets vs. other forms of engagement, since no limited engagement timer is created for pilots at war (since they can legally shoot each other already).

The result is the same though. In addition to inheriting any flags of the person you are repping (repping a suspect will make you suspect), repping someone in a limited engagment and repping a non-corpmate war target with a capsuleer log-off timer will both earn you a suspect flag of your own.

Dev Blog
Scenario Explanation (see post 5)

At least that's my understanding Big smile
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Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-06-19 08:18:00 UTC
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You may also be able to rep them without becoming a legal target to their war targets, but I'm not sure.

Hope someone can clarify. Cara?

As long as your non-corp-mate friend, who is under war, has no PvP timer up, you can rep him just fine, nor will you become a legal target for his opponent for repping him. However, if your friend gets shot at by his opponent and receives a PvP flag, your repairers will automatically stop and you will no longer be able to rep him, provided you have set your safety to green. Only when you decide to turn your safety off and continue repping your (now under war AND PvP flagged) friend will you receive a suspect flag, thus making yourself a legal target for anybody.

Or, at least that is my understanding according to this post:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2212793#post2212793

CCP Masterplan wrote:
Assisting a non-corpmate with a PVP flag who is at war will get you a Suspect flag