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Why're Link Ship Available In Low Sec?

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Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#21 - 2014-06-18 15:45:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrendian Biohazard
Viper Kiss wrote:
It's a place where small gang warfare is meant to happen.


No. It is a place where small gang warfare tends to happen. If there were to be restrictions on the type of warfare, then we'd see FW complexes only allowing two ships in at a time. Or not being able to have more than 3 people in a fleet while in lowsec. Larger scale stuff happens too. I saw a ~40 man militia fleet drop carriers the other day in a fight with a random, public roaming fleet. I'm assuming that means carriers should be banned from low as well?

Viper Kiss wrote:
The problem is, I see more and more players exploiting this.


So using ships for their intended purpose is an exploit? I guess that means that the Mordu ships shouldn't fit points because they have bonuses and kite crazily. Or Caracals should stop using missiles since that is their intended weapon system and RLML is great at taking out frigates. IT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR!

Don't have a WoW-like mentatlity of banning things because they are overpowered towards one thing in particular. Tactics, tactics, tactics. You don't want to fight someone that is running links in system? Then find their links and shut them down. Especially the T3 ones, as it seems people to not like to fit a tank to them. A couple hundred million isk KM would make me smile knowing that he has to replace all of that instead of the 30m faction frigate.

I believe Fozzie mentioned a while ago about wanting to do Dessie Command Ships. Now THAT I would like to see.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#22 - 2014-06-18 15:45:41 UTC
so why not just probe out the link ship and oh idk.. blow it up?

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#23 - 2014-06-18 15:46:47 UTC
Viper Kiss wrote:

I been a low-sec pvper for nearly 3 years now. I never understood why link ships, such as: Loki, Tengu, Proteus can actually be used in low sec. It's a place where small gang warfare is meant to happen. I feel that command ships really ruin the fun.
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Complains about command ships, lists only strategic cruisers.


Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
Negative Feedback
#24 - 2014-06-18 15:53:08 UTC
Viper Kiss wrote:

I agree with you about being on grid. That's exactly the change they should make.


Then why did you propose a completely different (and absolutely terrible) idea?
Viper Kiss
Black Wolf Pack
Divine Damnation
#25 - 2014-06-18 16:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Viper Kiss
Well, didn't think about that one. Not that you said or contributed anything great yourself.


Also, if something can be use it doesn't mean it's not being exploited and overpower. At the moment link ship are and you can easily see that by the huge amount of people that are using them. They were also previously nerf for a reason.

Just like when rifter was the best ship around everyone used it. Still many said, "No, overpower! You're crazy!" Also, they were using it for its main purpose. But now I ask you, isn't it more fun as it is now? Yes, it is! (oh this last part was just comparison for the ones who don't understand that.)

Somethings need to be balanced out so everyone can enjoy the game. Not only the ones, who decide to go op in rambo mode.
Bal'Ayle
Steel Battalion
Fraternity.
#26 - 2014-06-18 16:16:51 UTC
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Lord Fudo wrote:
I remember ccp planning a year or two ago to make links have to be on grid. What ever happened to that? Links should have to be on grid.

CCP will implement it the moment they have figured out how to do it. Seems to be a lot harder to do than they thought.


I don't use links so this doesn't directly effect me, but it does seem a trifle odd that links are system wide boosters and flies in the face of risk vs reward.

I would perhaps suggest this to CCP.

Make link modules Aoe like interdiction spheres, fleeted ships in the sphere of influence are boosted

Or alternatively make link modules auto target like mid slot passive auto targeting mods except they automatically target fleet ships and apply their effects to them when in range? - maybe re-cycle the energy vamp effect in a blue electronics hue with a higher brightness to warn people off that the ships are being boosted?
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#27 - 2014-06-18 16:22:17 UTC
Bal'Ayle wrote:
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Lord Fudo wrote:
I remember ccp planning a year or two ago to make links have to be on grid. What ever happened to that? Links should have to be on grid.

CCP will implement it the moment they have figured out how to do it. Seems to be a lot harder to do than they thought.


I don't use links so this doesn't directly effect me, but it does seem a trifle odd that links are system wide boosters and flies in the face of risk vs reward.

I would perhaps suggest this to CCP.

Make link modules Aoe like interdiction spheres, fleeted ships in the sphere of influence are boosted

Or alternatively make link modules auto target like mid slot passive auto targeting mods except they automatically target fleet ships and apply their effects to them when in range? - maybe re-cycle the energy vamp effect in a blue electronics hue with a higher brightness to warn people off that the ships are being boosted?

The graphics isn't the issue, the problem is that CCP can't figure out how to get it to work at all on a grid instead of system wide.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-06-18 16:22:35 UTC
Viper Kiss wrote:
Loki, Tengu, Proteus can actually be used in low sec. It's a place where small gang warfare is meant to happen.


Small gang only? Really?
Solecist Project
#29 - 2014-06-18 16:24:25 UTC
I want to remind everybody that one of the devs said that links are involved
in one of the biggest bottlenecks regarding performance (Jita) and thus got pushed up in priority.

Expect changes "soon".

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#30 - 2014-06-18 16:25:22 UTC
Viper Kiss wrote:
Also, if something can be use it doesn't mean it's not being exploited and overpower. At the moment link ship are and you can easily see that by the huge amount of people that are using them. They were also previously nerf for a reason.

Links are not currently OP.

You're lack of ability or commitment to use the game mechanics to their fullest, doesn't make the things you fail to use, OP.

We just went through a big whine thread about links. Did you even use the forum search before starting another redundant thread?
Viper Kiss
Black Wolf Pack
Divine Damnation
#31 - 2014-06-18 16:39:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Viper Kiss
Sure they aren't, you use them that's why.

What is there to learn? You train an alt to use a link ship and then you go rambo mode with your main character.

The huge problem I see is there is very little risk involve. You can easily apply you link ship in a safe spot of the system and simply slip away if any bad guy comes. Or, better call your links buddies to beat the living heck out of him.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2014-06-18 16:41:45 UTC
Viper Kiss wrote:
Sure they aren't, you use them that's why.
Congratulations. You just lost the argument and proved Scipio right.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#33 - 2014-06-18 16:42:50 UTC
Stealth allow bombers to use bombs in low sec thread.

Which I am totally OK with Big smile
CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
Negative Feedback
#34 - 2014-06-18 16:45:25 UTC
Viper Kiss wrote:
Well, didn't think about that one. Not that you said or contributed anything great yourself.


Also, if something can be use it doesn't mean it's not being exploited and overpower. At the moment link ship are and you can easily see that by the huge amount of people that are using them. They were also previously nerf for a reason.

Just like when rifter was the best ship around everyone used it. Still many said, "No, overpower! You're crazy!" Also, they were using it for its main purpose. But now I ask you, isn't it more fun as it is now? Yes, it is! (oh this last part was just comparison for the ones who don't understand that.)

Somethings need to be balanced out so everyone can enjoy the game. Not only the ones, who decide to go op in rambo mode.


Apples and oranges my friend. They didn't nerf the Rifter as a solution to that problem, they buffed all of the other frigates. In that case, the problem wasn't necessarily that the Rifter was overpowered, it was that everything else was underpowered and too few viable counters existed. In the case of links, there's already a perfectly viable counter: bring your own links.
Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#35 - 2014-06-18 16:49:58 UTC
Pretty much all I'm getting out of OP on this is that they want all ships to be the same, bland, dull, middle of the road nonsense as the Rifter because ~effort~.

Just a guess, but does this have to do with a rail Merlin killing your dual prop, A-type AB Dramiel?

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Viper Kiss
Black Wolf Pack
Divine Damnation
#36 - 2014-06-18 16:54:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Viper Kiss
No, it was a good and enjoyable fight.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-06-18 17:42:08 UTC
If you're in a frigate, don't engage a not-so-solo frigate on your own. I'm sure you know who they are after 3 years in lowsec!

Bring friends, or your own links, or a bigger ship.

It's all in ze metagame.

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Serene Repose
#38 - 2014-06-18 17:49:38 UTC
Viper Kiss wrote:
I know that but I don't fly in high-sec and sure when I mean low-sec, I also think they shouldn't be used there. Else, it wouldn't make sense.
While you're busy changing the game dynamics for the OP here, would you send someone over to paint my kitchen and give me a massage? There's some good lads.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#39 - 2014-06-18 18:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Viper Kiss wrote:
Sure they aren't, you use them that's why.

I only rarely use them, mostly in fleet operations. When solo, I just roam alone. Looking after 2 ships makes roaming slower than purely solo and I tend to move around quickly from system to system.

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What is there to learn? You train an alt to use a link ship and then you go rambo mode with your main character.

BS. Someone who doesn't use them and just comes to the forum to QQ about how everyone else's links should be nerfed, has really no clue what it takes or what the risks are.

Quote:
The huge problem I see is there is very little risk involve.

Of course you have a huge problem. That's quite clear.

You just mistake what your huge problem is. It's not that other people use the available legal game mechanics to their best advantage. It's that you don't and instead of recognising that it's your choices that put you at a disadvantage, you come to the forum and QQ about how the choices you refuse to make are OP.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-06-18 18:07:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Scipio Artelius wrote:
you come to the forum and QQ about how the choices you refuse to make are OP.
Yes, and way too much QQ for just one person.

I suspect 'tear warfare' links.

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