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CODE Alliance Diplomat answering your questions.

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#1 - 2014-06-18 11:12:04 UTC
Hello, new players!

I am the diplomatic contact for the CODE. alliance. Chances are you have heard of us, and have heard of our rich history of brutal high-sec destruction via gank attacks.

During my time, I have engaged and exploded quite a few new players, and I have personally witnessed a lot of confusion, anger, tears, rage, etc. During many of these encounters, the new player seemed very confused about high-sec aggression mechanics in general, how gank attacks work, how to prevent them, etc.

There exist a smattering of "anti-ganking" channels that players have created in New Eden, but in general - I have found them to be very hostile and suspicious of everyone and full of a lot of misinformation and generally bad advice from angry players.

So, I am starting this thread to answer any questions you might have relating to high-sec gank attacks, aggression mechanics, pretty much any question you might have about how sudden PVP can find you in high-sec, even if you are not part of a player corp.

Any serious questions will be answered to the best of my ability, any trolls or generally abusive comments will be ignored. I understand many new players (and quite a few bittervets) have some very angry feelings towards those who engage in high-sec ganking, but I ask that you put that aside to allow the new players to ask serious questions.

So, how can I help teach you? Want to learn how to gank in high-sec? How to avoid ganks? How CONCORD actually works? Anything else? Let's keep this classy!
Elmonky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-06-18 11:50:45 UTC
Hello!

I just wanted to say thanks for improving High Sec! I appreciate the change in mentality from yield vs safety, and I'm pleased that i now tank my mining ships properly, and although I personally would not want to go around ganking , I understand exactly what you are trying to achieve.



I did have one question though : just how reliable are the permits? Unfortunately a lot of rumours persist that there are agents of yours that will attack and destroy valid permit holders. Do you have sanctions in place to deal with such rogue elements? Or are you punishing those who believe that the permits prevents them from bot aspirant actions?


o7
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#3 - 2014-06-18 12:25:33 UTC
Sorry, bro, but this thread will be locked as soon as ISD Ezwal notices it. We established some time ago that saying anything about CODE that isn't an attack directed against them is forbidden in NCQA.

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#4 - 2014-06-18 14:59:14 UTC
Elmonky wrote:
Hello!

I just wanted to say thanks for improving High Sec! I appreciate the change in mentality from yield vs safety, and I'm pleased that i now tank my mining ships properly, and although I personally would not want to go around ganking , I understand exactly what you are trying to achieve.



I did have one question though : just how reliable are the permits? Unfortunately a lot of rumours persist that there are agents of yours that will attack and destroy valid permit holders. Do you have sanctions in place to deal with such rogue elements? Or are you punishing those who believe that the permits prevents them from bot aspirant actions?


o7


The permits are quite valid. Much confusion comes up due to players purchasing permits and not actually reading the CODE and understanding that a permit does not permit AFK mining.

The analogy that I use is that a permit in EVE sold by CODE is much like a drivers license issued by a governmental authority. You need a permit to mine safely in CODE space, you need a drivers license in the real world to drive - however, a mining permit in EVE or a drivers licence in the RL does not give you a free pass to violate the law!

In the event that a valid permit holder who is able to prove they were at the keyboard is destroyed by a CODE agent, we have a extensive ship replacement program in place and will take actions against the agent in question. I will admit, this is a VERY rare situation, but it has happened in the past - and we have always made it right.

Thanks for the great questions!
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#5 - 2014-06-18 15:00:37 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Sorry, bro, but this thread will be locked as soon as ISD Ezwal notices it. We established some time ago that saying anything about CODE that isn't an attack directed against them is forbidden in NCQA.



I sure hope not! I feel it is right on topic - new players that I encounter are often bewildered and confused about the New Order / CODE and - this is a forum for questions and answers for new players.

Seems right on topic and legit to me. We'll see if the ISD/GM's agree. I sure hope so, I feel a lot of needless confusion can be avoided with the help of this thread.
Gabriel Z
Krabulous
#6 - 2014-06-18 16:15:18 UTC
I've read in various places that your group's purpose is to prevent AFK mining and piloting. Why don't you enforce that policy outside of hisec? There are plenty of AFK'ers in nullsec in need of your "discipline" yet I've never seen or heard of your group operating outside the warm and fuzzy protection of CONCORD-controlled space. When will you guys be paying us a visit out here in the wild, wonderful free-fire zone?
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#7 - 2014-06-18 16:19:11 UTC
Gabriel Z wrote:
I've read in various places that your group's purpose is to prevent AFK mining and piloting. Why don't you enforce that policy outside of hisec? There are plenty of AFK'ers in nullsec in need of your "discipline" yet I've never seen or heard of your group operating outside the warm and fuzzy protection of CONCORD-controlled space. When will you guys be paying us a visit out here in the wild, wonderful free-fire zone?


There is no need for us to be there, that's your space. You police it.

As I often answer in situations like this... "Be the change you wish to see in the world". In other words, find some AFK players outside of high-sec and shoot them.

Also, high-sec is not nearly as "warm and fuzzy" as you would think for us. Most of us are well below -5 security status, meaning that any player anywhere can fire on us at any time. If we stay on grid for more then about 30 seconds, faction police with engage us. It's far from warm and fuzzy!
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#8 - 2014-06-18 16:37:08 UTC
Gabriel Z wrote:
I've read in various places that your group's purpose is to prevent AFK mining and piloting. Why don't you enforce that policy outside of hisec? There are plenty of AFK'ers in nullsec in need of your "discipline" yet I've never seen or heard of your group operating outside the warm and fuzzy protection of CONCORD-controlled space. When will you guys be paying us a visit out here in the wild, wonderful free-fire zone?
Some of the New Order pilots aren't in CODE., they're a fairly open and all encompassing group which often includes people who are primarily nullsec based, I regularly see members of GSF, TEST, FA, etc participating in the highsec operations of the New Order.


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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#9 - 2014-06-18 16:39:32 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Some of the New Order pilots aren't in CODE., they're a fairly open and all encompassing group which often includes people who are primarily nullsec based, I regularly see members of GSF, TEST, FA, etc participating in the highsec operations of the New Order.




Very well said!

It's vital to remember that there are alliances and corporations (such as my alliance and corp) who openly support the CODE and generally identify as members of the New Order, but that we are not limited to any traditional corporate or alliance ties.

In the words of James 315:

"The New Order transcends corporations, alliances, and coalitions. There's no membership application or skill requirement to join. Everyone in EVE who takes any action to support our cause is an Agent of the New Order. Whether it's something big or small, once or many times, within or outside of official EVE channels, whether it's taken by someone I know well or by someone I'll never meet--each action intended to influence others for the advancement of the New Order is the action of an Agent.

Already, there are Agents everywhere: Players who joined the game less than a week ago, anxiously training up bumping skills. Players who have been around since the Beta who are looking for something new. Players who trade in Jita 4-4 and never undock. Players who pirate, scam, grief, can-flip and wardec for a living. Industrialists and mission-runners who want to liven up their home systems. Players living deep in nullsec who can't remember the last time they've been to highsec. Players who live on the forums and can't remember the last time they've logged in. And, one wonders, employees of CCP itself?"
Quant Predictorian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-06-18 17:33:44 UTC
Is it possible get mining permits before you find an illegal miner in high-sec?

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Gabriel Z
Krabulous
#11 - 2014-06-18 17:36:23 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
There is no need for us to be there, that's your space. You police it.

As I often answer in situations like this... "Be the change you wish to see in the world". In other words, find some AFK players outside of high-sec and shoot them.

Also, high-sec is not nearly as "warm and fuzzy" as you would think for us. Most of us are well below -5 security status, meaning that any player anywhere can fire on us at any time. If we stay on grid for more then about 30 seconds, faction police with engage us. It's far from warm and fuzzy!

It's pretty damn warm and fuzzy. You're taking advantage of CONCORD protection to conduct your operations. You use neutral alts for warp ins, scouting, and logistics to get your gankers into position. Your position on AFKing doesn't distinguish between areas of space. Why wouldn't you want to get rid of it everywhere?

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Some of the New Order pilots aren't in CODE., they're a fairly open and all encompassing group which often includes people who are primarily nullsec based, I regularly see members of GSF, TEST, FA, etc participating in the highsec operations of the New Order.

Strangely, they aren't conducting these ops within their own space. Refer to his answer above. If there are code enforcers coming to hisec, why aren't they policing their own backyards?
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#12 - 2014-06-18 18:01:32 UTC
Question from someone not quite involved but increasingly curious: does CODE also sell corp- or alliance wide permits, or is it only possible for individual pilots to be registered?
Jeremiah Dragonkiller
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-06-18 18:23:52 UTC
Gabriel Z wrote:
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
There is no need for us to be there, that's your space. You police it.

As I often answer in situations like this... "Be the change you wish to see in the world". In other words, find some AFK players outside of high-sec and shoot them.

Also, high-sec is not nearly as "warm and fuzzy" as you would think for us. Most of us are well below -5 security status, meaning that any player anywhere can fire on us at any time. If we stay on grid for more then about 30 seconds, faction police with engage us. It's far from warm and fuzzy!

It's pretty damn warm and fuzzy. You're taking advantage of CONCORD protection to conduct your operations. You use neutral alts for warp ins, scouting, and logistics to get your gankers into position. Your position on AFKing doesn't distinguish between areas of space. Why wouldn't you want to get rid of it everywhere?


It's significantly harder to stay completely AFK in lowsec and/or nullsec unless you are mining in a group and there are people who would shoot rats for you. Even lowsec rats are pretty tough. And obviously I am completely ignoring PVP element, or do you not have any neut camping systems in Catch?

On the other side, lowsec and nullsec is for obvious reasons much safer place than highsec, if you are at the keyboard.

Gabriel Z wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Some of the New Order pilots aren't in CODE., they're a fairly open and all encompassing group which often includes people who are primarily nullsec based, I regularly see members of GSF, TEST, FA, etc participating in the highsec operations of the New Order.

Strangely, they aren't conducting these ops within their own space. Refer to his answer above. If there are code enforcers coming to hisec, why aren't they policing their own backyards?


They do, there is a lot of patrols roaming blue space. If you are talking specifically about AFK miners then belt rats and neuts do that, as stated above.

(can you seriously AFK mine alone in null? really?)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#14 - 2014-06-18 18:26:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Never mind, I don't want to drive this off topic or get it locked.

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Rankan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-06-18 18:26:18 UTC
Extortion rackets are nothing new, I have no problem with them or any of the other scams that proliferate EVE.

People just need to be aware that this is one.

As far as the operation in hisec, well there's that low hanging fruit argument that applies I guess. Of course the less minerals supplied by mining in hisec is that much more that has to be supplied by mining in other regions, be they real people or bots.





Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#16 - 2014-06-18 19:06:47 UTC
For what it is worth, I don't think I've ever seen a so-called CODE agent on-grid in my years, though I regularly mine in hisec systems they are known to patrol.

Of course, I never AFK mine, and I'm actively hitting d-scan every few seconds (a habit from living in w-space). I watch for probes, local count, local population, look-up histories / killboards / posts / etc. It takes little time to figure out who are the residents and the regulars, and who are just passing through. I suspect all, especially miners not in my fleet.

I'm usually so busy while mining that that I can't imagine how people find mining boring and can AFK it!

I think the closest I may have come to CODE recently is mining in a mission deadspace (in a system I knew was a high risk) with 3 Hulks, an Orca, and a Charon, when I spotted combat probes nearby [It doesn't take a lot of effort to probe a freighter or an Orca]. Can't say if it was CODE or not, because I EVACed my fleet not wanting to find out. I proceeded to mine in another nearby system, undisturbed. I think I cleared [OCD = every pebble must go] at least 3 belts before I decided to do something else.

My rule-of-thumb is less people in local than belts. There are a huge number of systems this applies to, some very close to major trade hubs too.

I'm all for CODE and their way of life. If they gank me for being unlicensed, so be it, as they had to work for it [keeps me on my toes]. " gf o7"
Dally Lama
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-06-18 22:23:33 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-06-18 22:34:15 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Question from someone not quite involved but increasingly curious: does CODE also sell corp- or alliance wide permits, or is it only possible for individual pilots to be registered?

There is no discount for buying in bulk if that's what you mean. All pilots in the corp would have to display the permit in their bio for everyday agents to recognize it. If you want to know more, please contact DJ or I in game.

Lets try to keep this discussion more on mechanics of ganking/awoxing/wardeccing instead of New Order policy. Our policies are easily found on miner bumping or the millions of other threads on this forum, but discussion of actually mechanics of high sec combat is surprisingly limited and is probably more relevant to new players.

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ISD Alliance
#19 - 2014-06-19 00:01:25 UTC
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#20 - 2014-07-07 12:38:27 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
I feel it is right on topic.


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