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Why are skill queues limited to 24h?

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#61 - 2014-06-18 11:06:39 UTC
Fill the 24h queue as much as possible without going over, then slap a 20-30 day skill in there. Once you come back from "break" remove it and resume normal queue. Similar to how it was prior to a skill queue, just use "dump skills" for when you know you won't log in for awhile.

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Erin Crawford
#62 - 2014-06-18 11:08:16 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
lol Erin didn't realize KUBTD was just trolling. xD


Erin Crawford wrote:
I also think I might be getting the hang of this troll thing everyone talks about...

Pfff! how ironic, just when i thought i was getting this GD 'vibe.'
forget what i said above! I need to start again!
Erin's troll 101 test: failed!
Ugh

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-06-18 12:49:32 UTC
Aliventi wrote:
Remove attributes and attribute implants. Skills train at 2700 SP/hr and the SP is deposited in to a free SP pool that is capped at 1-3 mil SP. Then when you want to train a skill you just apply the SP out of the pool. Simple for noobs to understand and not screw up and allows them to PvP without worrying about losing their +3 implants. Nice for us older players that may not be able always have access to Eve due to business trips, military deployments, etc.


As many of us have said before - no. The list of reasons is long, and is freely available in the Features and Ideas section of these very forums in multiple threads on the same (or nearly identical) threads.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#64 - 2014-06-18 12:56:53 UTC
When CCP added the skill queue, they said it was limited to 24 hours because, in the term MMORPG, the O stands for On-line.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#65 - 2014-06-18 13:15:05 UTC
Sometimes i read a thread and think to myself : '' I wish CCP for one week would set the gamemechanics back to 2004 ... just for one week '' , man that would be SO much fun on the forums Big smile .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#66 - 2014-06-18 13:39:02 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
When CCP added the skill queue, they said it was limited to 24 hours because, in the term MMORPG, the O stands for On-line.


Then why the frack do we have skills that take 30+ days to train. A 2-3 month skill que would do no more harm than the 24 hour que, or skills that take 30+ days to train. If anything it would be beneficial for the players to make skill planning easier. Imagine being able to set and forget your skill plan. You still have to keep an active sub to gain skill points, and I doubt at $15 a month per account someone isn't going to long in and not play for any time longer than a couple week. Then you have those that plex thier account (s) they have to log in at least 3 days a week in order to grind that ISK to pay for thier PLEX. Which isn't getting any cheaper BTW. Plan and simple any argument against a longer que that uses the excuse that people won't log in and play is invalid. How many people here right now have skill training that won't finish for 3-4 weeks. Probably 25% or more of currently active players.
Most others are just bittervets venting about how much of a PITA it was 10 years ago. They just need to get the **** over it. It was 10 ******* years ago.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2014-06-18 14:22:24 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
People logging into change, add, abort, retry skills is not content. If someone wants to pay to not play the game, why should that be a problem? More server performance for the rest of us.


Because people logging on to keep their skill queue turning will often say, "You know, as long as I'm on, I might as well..." That keeps those people playing, and in turn keeps other people playing.
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2014-06-18 14:26:28 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
[quote=Tyberius Franklin]
Confirming that no one logs in simply to update their skill queue and then says "ehh maybe I'll play for a few hours now that I'm logged in". There is no way that a 24h skill queue limit makes people play more in any amount worth talking about.


You, of course, have done a survey of Eve players to support this claim, rather than just asking two or three of your friends. I'd take it as a personal favor if you'd post your methodology; I'd be fascinated to read it.
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2014-06-18 14:29:52 UTC
Spectral Tiger wrote:
Lucine Delacourt wrote:
I am sure most people have logged in to queue a skill then found something extra to do and decided to stay logged in. A frig roam about to take off or a corpmate who needs help with something. I know I have on numerous occasions.



I've logged in before, changed skills and logged out (even with the 24 skill queue).

I've also logged in to change skills and decided to stay logged in.



I expect most people have at some point.


Exactly. It's not something that needs to happen all the time. As long as it happens sometimes, it's worthwhile to CCP to keep it that way.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#70 - 2014-06-18 14:35:07 UTC
There's a dude in our corp who is good at updating his skill queue. I've seen him maybe 3 times, actually saw him pop up in corp, thought, ooh, new guy, I'll say hi.....typed "o/ [Person]" and before I could hit enter he logged. I'm convinced he is a cyborg.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
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All Hail Boobies
#71 - 2014-06-18 15:01:05 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
In the beginning there was no skill queue. Only alarm clocks.... only alarm clocks...

/make_the_ringing_stop



I used to have a clock on my desktop telling me when my skill was going to be done, lol. Would watch it religiously. Would get a sinking feeling if I thought I wasn't going to be on time to put a new skill in training.
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#72 - 2014-06-18 15:54:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mithandra
I like the skill system the way it is.

I cannot back up my position with facts, PowerPoint presentations, or examples from other games where their skill point systems are so obviously flawed when compared to the shining example of EVE.

I cannot present you with well rounded arguments and position papers from experts in the field who if they knew of me, would agree with me.

I cannot create a spreadsheet to back up my position with cold hard data.

But what I do have is faith, faith that the SP system has been blessed in the past, in the present, and shall be thrice blessed in the future by the Maker and the Breaker, the Lords of enlightened buff and accursed nerf, the shining warriors who carry the TRUTH, THE WORD, THE LIGHT- blessed be to them - to us, the heretical, the unenlightened, the dark of soul and mind.

And I say to you, let he who is steeped in the rapture of gankage cast the first projectile at the defilers of the Holy SP.

Suffer the heretic not to walk amongst us, and purge them in the holy fire of poddage,

Pray with me my brothers and sisters, pray that the cleansing baptism of fire and rebirth shall show the wayward soul a blessed path back to the embrace of the one true faith, before salvation and reconciliation becomes forever impossible forcing the apostate to wander the Worlds of Warcraft for eternity.

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#73 - 2014-06-18 16:03:31 UTC
Erin Crawford wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
lol Erin didn't realize KUBTD was just trolling. xD


Erin Crawford wrote:
I also think I might be getting the hang of this troll thing everyone talks about...

Pfff! how ironic, just when i thought i was getting this GD 'vibe.'
forget what i said above! I need to start again!
Erin's troll 101 test: failed!
Ugh


It's okay. My GD-fu is pretty strong. Yours is getting there. Blink

As for your response, however...

If you so much as alter a buy or sell order...

Put up a contract...

Or did anything that effected the sandbox in the 10 mins you logged in for a skill drop...

You have altered the game for everyone else.

That is the nature of the sandbox.

And that is why CCP relies on us to do their marketing.

Only thing is...

They don't market those little things that are altered and tweaked and make EvE special.

Instead, they market the 9 hour fleet fights that are spent 7 hours afk because TiDi has slowed the grid/system/node to a grinding halt.

Because that little stuff is not marketable. Because then it would be like UAE said, as soon as people started playing...The game everyone loves (in theory), but hates playing so much that they cannot be bothered to log in.

Plus, realistic answer...you can drop 30+ day skills into the queue already, and not log in. Trust me, I am chewing through BS skills, so I can fly ALL TEH SUBCAPS!!!! Shocked

But yea, long answer short....you Erin, myself, Sol, Ramona, UAE, Tippia, The Mittani, James 315, Mynnna, so on and so forth...are just grains of sand.

Shift those grains of sand slightly, even momentarily, you have altered the landscape.

And believe it or not, that constantly shifting landscape....

Is...

Content.

Big smileBlinkTwisted

Now for your ratings. Lol

1/10 for making me return to a thread I have already trolled for an answer.

3/10 for making the effort.

4/10 for being respectful to Sol, and post-Sol response, to myself...a fellow troll.

For a grand total of 8/10.

Congrats...you are getting there.

Blink

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Tradari
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#74 - 2014-06-18 16:07:31 UTC
how about that CCP limit any PC to running only max 2 clients at once. this would allow for an alt for example. would stop this isbox rubbish gameplay what no longer reqs teamwork and bring back the alarm clock skill que's was much more fun to watch people panic when they realise there skill was finishing right about on downtime lolz

common CCP bring back limits and make folks work as a team to get anywhere like the old days. Boxer is killing the team game
Solecist Project
#75 - 2014-06-18 16:21:25 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
That is the nature of any reality where humans participate in.
Fixed that for you.

Quote:
4/10 for being respectful to Sol...
I don't understand this, but I like it. (:

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#76 - 2014-06-18 16:25:17 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
Then why the frack do we have skills that take 30+ days to train.
To keep you hooked.
Then again, you'll notice that those skills aren't really necessary to train either. Just because there are skills that take a while to train does not mean that there is any need to extend the queue — it rather demonstrates the opposite, actually.


Also, this.
Bal'Ayle
Steel Battalion
Fraternity.
#77 - 2014-06-18 16:27:47 UTC
I had a large answer prepared then thought my comment half way thru summed it up nicely.

I have made up work that HAD to be done from home to avoid staying around a girls house before simply to make sure I didn't miss changing my training queue at 2am so I could have the skills an old corp asked me to train up for a fleet op.

Why should you get more sex then me?

RL gets in the way, but having the option to stack 2-3 months worth of training will just mean no one would log in until they were twinked out with skils. Hell if this come to be, I will start my sons account now - hes 3 - when he gets to 20 odd he will be so grateful.

"You got me a Car?! where is my 300m SP Caldari pilot you useless son of a %*^(£!!!...."
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#78 - 2014-06-18 16:28:39 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:


I don't understand this, but I like it. (:



How can anyone not be respectful to a person so devoted to making sure CCP gives us new Space Barbie clothes? Shocked

...

Exactly.

Nah, just one of those mornings. My head is "just right," if you know what I mean. Blink

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Solecist Project
#79 - 2014-06-18 16:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:


I don't understand this, but I like it. (:



How can anyone not be respectful to a person so devoted to making sure CCP gives us new Space Barbie clothes? Shocked

...

Exactly.

Nah, just one of those mornings. My head is "just right," if you know what I mean. Blink

Yeah, I perfectly understand and want to end this post with a verse that is none.


The grass is always greener when I smoke it.


Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today,
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Erin Crawford
#80 - 2014-06-18 17:12:35 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:

...

Now for your ratings. Lol

1/10 for making me return to a thread I have already trolled for an answer.

3/10 for making the effort.

4/10 for being respectful to Sol, and post-Sol response, to myself...a fellow troll.

For a grand total of 8/10.

Congrats...you are getting there.

Blink



I know, I know... got to start somewhere
I'll probably have several more of these coming my way.. http://i.imgur.com/mf81iLt.gif

Lol, thanks for the breakdown though.
Lol

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "