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You may aswell close this and walk away, biomass this one and start again next week with what you have learned.

1. Nobody will give money to a toon that was started a week ago.

2. Nobody will pay any attention when players with no posting history all come here within a few moments of each other and pledge ISK.

You have avoided every decent question about why this should be legit. I mean come on even the other scam banker Konifourus thinks you're too dodgy to give money too and he has been trying to portray himself as a legit lender with his little 100 mil loans to everyone and anyone recently.

You had a guy with ISK spamming in his profile posting to verify that your offer is good.

You can keep typing your diatribe every time someone tells you about your failings but you will not get any investment here without answering the questions that are being asked of you.

This is MD not who shouts louder wins.

Well lets agree to disagree that all the posters in here with no history are you and your friends.

And obviously you missed the bit about the diatribe. You cannot and will not bury people with your spam.

You will not get any money from this. Head back to Jita local/

No I am just not going to waste my time repeating what others have already asked of you.

You guarantee to pay 4% interest.

Where is this guarantee in the form of collateral? No because you offer nothing

In the form of goodwill? no because you have established no goodwill as its an 18 day old toon created for this scam

In the form of bank capital? No because you will not give out an api to verify/ you are an 18 day old toon with no earnings.

NO API no guarantees yes you can write the word its simple look "I guarantee nothing."

No collateral no guarantees.

So maybe you do mining or industry or trade to create the earnings to back up this guarantee? What your an 18 day old toon with no skills so no it cannot be that.

What the guarantee is, Its absolutely nothing, 9 little letters you hit on your keyboard.

This is a 18 day old toon with his own alts posting on multiple accounts with absolutely no guarantees for anything other than to try to take peoples money.

Until you PROVE (thats the important word) otherwise.

In the coming weeks there will be proof that I'm an alt, and that my main has been around long enough to be very experienced in industry and trade. That's restricted by the amount of time it takes for me to train up new hauler and industry characters to split them away from ones that can be linked to my main so I can trade even if people try to attack me in game.

And no, there's no third party held collateral to guarantee the interest, you're right. But lack of collateral doesn't make it a scam. If you aren't comfortable with investing in uncollateralised ventures, then don't invest, that's not a problem. I have no issue with people not trusting and I understand that trust is a hard thing to do in EVE because of the history of these type of things.

And finally, those aren't my alts.
In fact, they are your alts, right? Being used to defame me by making obvious alt like posts? There's just as much evidence that they are yours than there is that they are mine, and it would make more sense for them to be owned by a player who is against my business than for it, since they don't help the business, they damage it.

This.

Look, the entire point of MD is to serve as a potential investment pool. If a person wants to tell the MD to go pound sand that's fine - but remember why you're even posting here at all.

I don't care about you keeping it running or shutting it down.

Fundamentally, I don't think you understand what MD is or the purpose it truly serves - and that's ok. You can go on and advertise in Jita and get what scraps you can from the margins of MD. You could run a service forever just like that. Nothing wrong with it either. But you will never win wide support and investment from the general community by conducting yourself as you are now, which limits the potential investment pool you have access to for financing.

We can't all grow up to be astronauts, and that's ok.

Well the problem with attracting small-scale investements is that there are none to be had. If somebody who has five billion invests one of those, he's locking himself out of a sizeable portion of his funds for a measly forty million a month. Habitual MD readers can usually eke out a better profit than that unless they have so much spare cash that they physically can't manage it any more. At that point, of course, they can give you a small sum of ISK without burdening themselves too much. The question remains: why would they trust you when you have no track record of anything?

Please, read previous forum threads/posts/my lending webpage, before deciding to state inaccurate information. And to address the scam banker accusation: If that were true I'd go about conducting my bank in much the same way this guy is so far, instead of spending countless hours evemailing 3rd parties, developing policies, and long-hand updating a website (which obviously takes me forever because I have ZERO webpage design knowledge). There are far more easier ways to run a scam bank than the way I am operating my bank, such as the way we see here. The only thing I'm guilty of is falling short of my original goal of targeting small investors, the same pilots this guy says he's targeting. And, he's right, eve needs something for the small guys; sadly that was supposed to be TAUTX. I'll have to find my way back to that dream somehow, and will most likely be creating a system of tiers for my bonds.

On topic: When I posted my bank on the MD threads, I was telling the truth about never having posted on the forums before that. I was truly naive to the way the MD community would receive my bank. And I was shocked with the public reception. But I LISTENED. And I took the community's advice, and I incorporated specific policies into my business that the community demanded. I allowed them to shape my bank into something, at least, more clearly defined than from its opening day. But all of that was and is because I have honesty on my side, and pure intent. It's easy to tell all of us to just **** off and keep doing what you're doing if you intend to market a quick and easy scam. Is that the plan here, because if it isn't then start LISTENING to us and flowing with the current of MD thought and expectations.

After several hours of googling, I discovered who your main is (and anyone could do it, so you might as well go public with him now), you know that because I told you. What your main's forum history shows is that you are VERY familiar with the forums, MD included. And I'm forced to ask myself if your naivety to the way your bank would be received is just a ruse? Why have you not read the most recent banking threads (McMorris, Far, TAUTX) and learned from our examples and mistakes? Why have you still not listed a maximum deposit value? When will you realize that the MD community is here to help you mold and shape your business model into something official, and acceptable (admittedly forcefully and through negative insults, but still constructive feedback)?

"A man's worth is no greater than his ambitions."