EVE General Discussion

Great now whenever a 5 day old character goes GCC because he accidently shot a wreck in an asteroid belt I can pod him!

actually i am unaware: shooting a wreck gives you GCC?!
but even if it did, as pointed out earlier, getting podded as a noob is basically no extra cost. it is exactly made this way so you can learn without repercussions. the only loss is the ship+fitting.

Cans also.



You seem to argue both sides. On the one hand, gankers use these barely used, throw-away accounts and you need to be able to pod them to make them PAY FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE!!! because expecting them to be huntable is a laughable proposition....on the other hand, podding newb toons costs them nothing.

So which is it? Are people out there ganking on their main, or another well trained, often used character that you could hunt down and get revenge upon....or are they ganking on toss-outs they don't care about and only play for this one purpose?

ok, i went and checked... noobs... you get warned exactly what will happen before you do any such action. maybe add "you will get GCC" and adding a link to evelopedia page for GCC would be good...



i did not say gank chars were barely used, nor not skilled. to use a throw-away BS to deal 12k alpha needs some training. i was merely saying that this tempest/apoc/...+ratting char will probably never fly out in shiny faction BS to do pve or sit in a hulk in belt mining. and if this char did so additionally having kill rights on him he would be braindead.

neither did i say i want them "to pay for what they have done". i just feel, even if possibly not hurting the criminals very much, it makes no sense to punish a victim or 3rd party hunter for trying to hunt down the pod and have fun. not everyhthing you do in eve is for isk, but also for fun. just leave concord out of it once one side decided to force pvp on the other side and the other side has responded to it. or the criminal has not yet paid for his sins (e.g. open bounty. see my suggestions #91)

especially as you point out, that there usually is not much to be gained by podding a criminal, there should not be much at stake for the criminal to loose, if OP proposal was implemented. thus i do not understand your harsh objections.

That's what the others thought too. Your bloated self confidence will get you killed.




Completely irrelevant. Has nothing to do with what i'm asking for.

It's about people shooting criminals, not about people seeking revenge.
Please think your words through, before you post.





Makes no sense, or i'm misunderstanding your words.
If the pod was flashy, the shooter wouldn't pop.

Theres way too much hatred in your words.




It doesn't help if you keep repeating this over and over again. You'll just get ignored.


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It's funny to see how much can be talked about such a mechanic
and how much people can screw the simple logic behind it and completely derail.

El alasar... i'm sorry, but i'm not reading your links in connection with this thread.
Not that i disrespect your effort, but i don't see the need to derail myself from what i want.
It's really simple already and the KISS principle totally applies to what i'm asking for.

That said, i WILL read your ideas and suggestions, because it sounds interesting,
but i won't bring them up in here because you'll do that anyway and i will react accordingly.


So ...

Noobs are not really an argument.
Gankers kill pods of noobs too.
A smartbomb doesn't care who's in range.

Also, there's the danger of bans in starter systems for harrassing and canflipping noobs.
That's sufficient there already, same can apply to their virgin pods that have GCC.
Every noob that leaves the starter systems has to live with the additional risk either way.

We should not forget that being uneducated can never be an excuse for anything.

If a noob GCC's, he learns it the hard way. Just like in every other case too.

If he manages to have +4 implants in his head,
then he's already old enough to have realized what's going on ...
or he's so stupid that his loss doesn't matter,
because he would have left rather sooner than later anyway.

Younger noobs, on the other hand, with +3 implants only, don't lose that much anyway
and considering the fact that it's damn easy to make much money in a really short amount of time,
i don't see any issues.

I've just noticed this little gem, which is actually very, very true.

Not want to crush your dreams, but i'm quite sure it won't be as easy as you wish it to be. :)

Anyway, you're quite contra-productive to your own wish, because it seems that noobs
are the only real argument against it, although personally, i don't see the issue.

There's rather a chance you'll get banned for it, actually.
Depends on how this goes through, if it ever goes through.

And, mind you, it WILL effect suicide gankers more than you want to believe ...
... especially, but not needfully, when combined with a better bounty system ... :)

Thanks for proving my point. You should ask somebody to read your post out loud, so you can hear it. No use talking to people like you. Your ego is too much in the way. Now please stop derailing the thread, else i will just ask a mod to remove your posts. Goodbye.

Believe me I don't have any pre-disposition to side with suicide gankers, it's not something I do. I just honestly don't think that this would have any significant effect on their behaviour because of how easy it is to warp pods out in an environment with no bubbles. It strikes me that the people who would get killed most often are people who aren't aware of the risks.

If you have some information about what can lock a pod in highsec before it can align out I'd love to know about it because my sensor boosting interceptor has trouble sometimes.

Just FYI shooting newbies is not against the rules.

IMHO more people should try it. I think they'd be less inclined to:

a) think it's easy, free pvp
b) try to get it nerfed or whatever.