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Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#61 - 2014-06-16 18:42:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Arkumord Churhee wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

1) The price is lower in the US because of the previously mentioned difference in needing to advertise prices inclusive/exclusive of tax amounts, but also because US customers don't pay sales tax for the vast majority of online transactions. These are laws in place by our respective countries, CCP has absolutely NOTHING to do with this. If you want to complain to someone, complain to your government for taxing you (grrrr government?). Ain't socialism grand? ;)

2) As has also been mentioned, there are ways to get around this and pay the US prices. Whether or not doing so violates any of your local laws, I have no idea, so I'm not advocating it. But, you know....options exist. Why not just use the method which you've already stated you are aware of and pay the lower price? Taking it a step further, why not then tell everyone you know to do the same (it doesn't just apply to PLEX, you know)? Why is your only course of action to complain that "it isn't fair" and pout like a five year old? Life isn't fair, get a helmet and HTFU.


Please, check your data. I have explained this before, but i will gladly explain it to you again.

Price for a 6 PLEX package about 3 weeks ago was 89.99€ (incl. VAT) (Source), converting to 122,18$ according to Google.
If i now pretend that we had $ over here too, we'd take the untaxed price of 104,99$, add a VAT of 19% (Germany), and get a result of 124,94 $. All in all, that would be a price that is understandable and acceptable, because of said taxes.

But it isn't 89,99€ now.
A 6 PLEX package now is 104,99€ (incl. VAT) (Source), which is a whopping 15€ difference (almost another full PLEX) for no reason whatsoever. Only reason i can imagine is some beancounter saying "make it 104,99 in every currency so it looks better" and not caring about a ~14% markup for customers paying their things in €, let alone customers paying in £.

Also, i know about the "CCP Euro tax evasion methods", but i feel i shouldn't have to.
But on the other hand, i want to help the company that makes the game i spend way too much time on to keep me (and others) as a customer, as they are currently driving non-US players away with higher prices in their domestic currencies.

I feel that CCP shouldn't bill players more for the same product than others, just because you live in a different part of the world that uses a different currency. Ugly words like "discrimination" come to mind...
Those prices don't need to be exactly the same, no one will say anything if there's a difference of 2 or 3$. But over 20 dollars is just greedy, and it needs to stop.



So you think CCP should enforce identical prices on all items between Jita and Hek, right?

What game do you play again?
Othran
Route One
#62 - 2014-06-16 18:45:48 UTC
Gospadin wrote:

So you think CCP should enforce identical prices on all items between Jita and Hek, right?

What game do you play again?


$104.99
€104.99

Roll
Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#63 - 2014-06-16 18:49:55 UTC
Othran wrote:
Gospadin wrote:

So you think CCP should enforce identical prices on all items between Jita and Hek, right?

What game do you play again?


$104.99
€104.99

Roll


It's called real life market PVP.

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MonkeyMagic Thiesant
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2014-06-16 21:02:37 UTC
Like anything else, they charge what they can to optimise their profits. Different markets have different sensitivities to price.

In other words, UK gets ripped off because we let it happen.
DownTwisTeD
Doomheim
#65 - 2014-06-16 21:32:10 UTC
Yea!

Now they tell us Canadians we dont have a dollar anymore like the ice landers doller is real.. Big smile
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2014-06-16 21:38:50 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=347425&find=unread

CCP Falcon wrote:
Greckor Arrkana wrote:
Currently the cost of Plex is nowhere near fair for all members of the community. Looking at amazon currently the cost of 6 Plex is substantially disproportionately cheap for all american players.

USA: $104.97
Germany: €89.99 ($122.77)
UK: £89.99 ($151.59)

On average the Americans save $32.21, anyone purchasing plex to increase there ISK is surely at an advantage if they are american. And considering this is a global server this certainly isn't fair on all members of the community. ( Which is why buying ISK outwith CCP is against rules)

If someone could explain why? Or even include the cost in their currency which isn't there.


The discrepancy between US and EU prices is due to tax differences. By law, EU prices have to be advertised inclusive of VAT, this is anywhere between 12-27% depending on the country you're buying in.

US Prices do not have to be advertised with state/federal sales tax included, this is why the prices appear lower.


If you had just bothered to check PAGE 1 of recent threads in this forum.
Arkumord Churhee
Nice Try.
#67 - 2014-06-17 08:00:48 UTC
Arronicus wrote:

[...]
If you had just bothered to check PAGE 1 of recent threads in this forum.

If you had just bothered to read the thread you are posting to you'd have discovered that these prices don't apply anymore.

Still waiting for a response from CCP...
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#68 - 2014-06-17 08:16:43 UTC
Anyone who pays 100 anythings on a computer game they are already paying a subscription for has more money than sense anyway

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lady Areola Fappington
#69 - 2014-06-17 08:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
Arkumord Churhee wrote:

If you had just bothered to read the thread you are posting to you'd have discovered that these prices don't apply anymore.

Still waiting for a response from CCP...



Here's your reason.

Because They Can.

Seriously, that's all there is to it. Region pricing is a thing. Always has been, always will be. It just so happens that rounding things out the way they have allows them to handle the taxes and such Euro people are responsible for. No, it's not perfect. Yes, CCP makes a profit off of it.

Lets assume CCP did what you want them to do, and pegged account prices to the exchange rate. You'll still have a higher "sticker price" than US people due to VAT. Your account cost is going to vary every month, due to currency exchange fluxes. Depending on how CCP implemented the exchange rate billing, you'd STILL be getting "ripped off". What happens when, on the day your sub comes due, the exchange rate takes a hit and you end up paying "more" that day? Or, if they averaged it, a few bad days over a healthy month dragged the average to a point that you were paying "more" that month than the USA?



And yeah, us Americans have a lower "sticker price" on the website, but come tax time, we get to pay for it in use tax. This year, my state actually started going after people who claimed $0 use tax in online shopping. Sure, you can keep all your receipts and try to figure your deduction correctly, but it's a hassle and a half. Thank the Great Architect for estimated tax based on income...

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#70 - 2014-06-17 09:04:08 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Arkumord Churhee wrote:

If you had just bothered to read the thread you are posting to you'd have discovered that these prices don't apply anymore.

Still waiting for a response from CCP...



Here's your reason.

Because They Can.

Seriously, that's all there is to it. Region pricing is a thing. Always has been, always will be


Exactly

This is why I couldn't get Trypticon when I was a kid

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Florian Bao
Black Box Technologies
#71 - 2014-06-17 09:46:27 UTC
i suggest you switch the language to english and/or pay for codes with paypal using the USD currency.
Riyria Twinpeaks
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2014-06-17 12:52:02 UTC
Living in Munich, I have significantly higher costs for daily things and living space than in many other areas in Germany.
So unfair!

In some neighboring countries I could get certain services and products for a lot cheaper than in my home country.
So unfair!

Oh, wait, I haven't considered what those people living in other areas earn. How much purchasing power their money actually has. Maybe, considering those points, it would not appear so unfair anymore? Maybe it would. I'm too lazy to check right now, but I'm not really complaining, the sentences above were just examples.

Did you, OP, compare the prices for PLEX with how much money is worth in the respective countries, and how much money the average person makes there?
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#73 - 2014-06-17 13:00:59 UTC
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#74 - 2014-06-17 20:54:43 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I don't believe the OP is in europe, so Id like to know why he cares about how much we pay?


He found an axe and decided to grind it.


COMBINATION!

http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpksi1CifJ1qjkee4o1_400.png
This one is better and more appropriate...Twisted

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Rannasha Kore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-06-17 21:12:28 UTC
Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:

Oh, wait, I haven't considered what those people living in other areas earn. How much purchasing power their money actually has. Maybe, considering those points, it would not appear so unfair anymore? Maybe it would. I'm too lazy to check right now, but I'm not really complaining, the sentences above were just examples.

Did you, OP, compare the prices for PLEX with how much money is worth in the respective countries, and how much money the average person makes there?


This. Ten times this.

All the back and forth ranting about taxes completely misses the point that stuff is just generally more expensive in Europe than in the US (yes, I know this is not the case for the eastern side of the Eurozone, those folks are just out of luck). People have higher incomes to compensate, but this does mean that you can't just pull prices through currency convertors, slap on some tax-number and call it unfair.
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ISD Alliance
#76 - 2014-06-17 21:47:36 UTC
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Arkumord Churhee
Nice Try.
#77 - 2014-06-18 17:37:51 UTC
Rannasha Kore wrote:
Riyria Twinpeaks wrote:

Oh, wait, I haven't considered what those people living in other areas earn. How much purchasing power their money actually has. Maybe, considering those points, it would not appear so unfair anymore? Maybe it would. I'm too lazy to check right now, but I'm not really complaining, the sentences above were just examples.

Did you, OP, compare the prices for PLEX with how much money is worth in the respective countries, and how much money the average person makes there?


This. Ten times this.

All the back and forth ranting about taxes completely misses the point that stuff is just generally more expensive in Europe than in the US (yes, I know this is not the case for the eastern side of the Eurozone, those folks are just out of luck). People have higher incomes to compensate, but this does mean that you can't just pull prices through currency convertors, slap on some tax-number and call it unfair.


Cool story bro

You know what that is? Discrimination. In it's purest form.
Serene Repose
#78 - 2014-06-18 17:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
If you Europeans can't keep your economies straight, how's that Iceland's problem?
Wait...wasn't there something about an island nation and an invasion fleet?
(This may be a question for David Cameron, not Eric the Red.)

Ramona McCandless wrote:
Anyone who pays 100 anythings on a computer game they are already paying a subscription for has more money than sense anyway
In the U.S. this is a social goal with hopes of movement into the genetic code.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#79 - 2014-06-18 17:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Oh, good, it's the weekly support group thread for idiots who don't understand that CCP doesn't set retail prices.

If I wanted to buy a pack of cigarettes in the city of Chicago, it would cost $12.00. If I drive to just outside of Cook County, it will be more like $7.00.

This is not the Marlboro Man's fault.

Same for gasoline - it will be a solid $.50 more per gallon in the city, and this difference has nothing to do with Exxon Mobile.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#80 - 2014-06-18 18:09:01 UTC
The solution is simple:

We either nerf America... or kill the batman..

Not sure which one is relevant here..

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?