EVE General Discussion

Yes. Remote-supporting a ship in combat should transfer the timers of the supported ships to the supporter.

If you want to be a party in the fight, then be a party in the fight, with everything it entails. Support ships should have to de-aggress just like everyone else involved.

Starbases.

Fights happen at stations so people can dock up when things aren't going their way. But if you shoot at someone, you have to wait a little bit before docking, which neutral support doesn't have to do. They can pop in and out as needed, that's the complaint, that there's no time to shoot the logi before it docks. And with docking timers removed the logi doesn't even have to stay docked for half a minute, they get the damage repaired and hop right back out to start all over.

I propose that all neutral reppers immediately self-destruct and subtract 100mil SP from the RR pilot.

You must live in a strange part of highsec where the POS towers aren't set up with literally dozens of ECM and neut batteries.

Your just upset that you can't use your logistic alts in fights? Try putting your *** logistic alts in same corp? problem solved.

Yet you ignore other area's of space that would give you the answer to your question.

How Cretinous of you.

At no point am I talking about GCC. I am mostly alking about the aggression countdowns that allow people in highsec who aren't at war with eachother to shoot eachother, the same type of countdown that makes it possible to shoot at people who steal from containers or remotely assist war targets.

I think that optimally anyone passively providing fleet bonuses through leadership skills should get one of these aggression countdowns and anyone actively providing bonuses via gang links should get one of these in addition to the docking/jumping timer like you said. The regular aggression timer for passive boosts might not affect nullsec or wormholes, but in highsec it allows you to at least force the person providing leadership bonuses off the field in the event that they are neutral and in lowsec it allows you to attack them without going GCC and being shot at by gate guns for 15 minutes.

An Aggression Flag is active for 15 minutes, and currently affects targets that assist people that have aggression flags (allowing their opponents to fire on the "helper" as well in most cases). This is, for the most part, fine as it is.

An Aggression Timer lasts for roughly 60 seconds, it prevents you from docking or jumping through a gate during this time, and currently does NOT affect people assisting combatants. At the moment it only affects people using "offensive modules" (weapons, ECM, Scrams, Webs).

We are discussing the later, not the former (which for the most part is working fine). The terminology Aggression Flag and Aggression timer are frequently used interchangeably even in the Wiki (mostly because an Aggression Flag has the 15 minute timer component) and this understandably causes a great deal of confusion.

So again, just for clarity, the only point in the aggression system that is being discussed as needing a change is that the 60 second aggression timer, that currently keeps an active combatant from jumping or docking but does not have the same effect on someone assisting a combatant with a module like a remote repairer.

The main thrust of the argument is that although these "assisting" modules can have a huge impact on a fight (no matter where it takes place) they have the advantage of being able to disengage by docking or jumping through a gate instantly whenever they wish, with no 60 second timer to hinder them as it does all other participants in the battle.

Due to the nature of High Sec where there are large numbers of neutrals in the area of a combat most of the time, this becomes particularly powerful. The normal tactic for dealing with this ability in Null Sec, where you know any reds or neutrals in the area are likely to be combatants, you keep a portion of your forces from firing so that they can pursue and catch the remote reppers on the other side of a gate (although there still is no counter if the combat is at a station that will allow them to dock). However in High Sec, since you have no way of knowing if any neutrals in the area are going to be assisting your adversaries at some point in the fight, you have little to base this tactical decision on.

It boils down to whether a person using assisting modules to participate in a battle should be considered a combatant (or aggressor if you will) and have the 60 second aggression timer applied to them as well as the others involved. If it did apply to them as well, it would force them to make the same tactical decisions about when to deactivate their modules and withdraw as the other participants in the battle.

If somebody reps or assists (with tracking modules or cap for instance) another aggressed party, they should inherit the aggression. This should be obvious.