Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Crazy idea, only part formed, does it have any potential or am I just being stupid? please keep all comments either impersonal or constructive.

so - favourite activities in low/nullsec include ratting/plexing - I don't know why beyond the ridiculous amount of isk made, and the fact that you can probably fly a ship that has some tank......
miners don't go because they fly paper tanked ships which are generally slow.... and end up making half the isk.....

so - what if belts - as they got full, started spawning more harvester rats - which instead of having high bounties and good loot - pop really easily, have a low respawn rate, low bounties and loot, but as the belts are mined the pirates (seeing targets of opportunity) start spawning worthwhile rats again

(the more empty the belt - the better rats appear, the fuller the belt - the worse rats appear)

this will send everyone to plexes, but reduce the respawn rate of those too, and people have to start looking further afield, start changing the respawn mechanics so that the system respawns "anomaly" or "cosmic signature" instead of "combat site" "gas" "ore" etc. (we'll leve ice and WH's in seperate classes for now)...

Sooner or latercombat runners will have used up all their profitable combat sites, then they'll use all the rubbishy combat sites, then they'll what? start running missions - which I gather don't work out nearly as well as ratting and you might as well be mining.......

will this push people to get miners in nullsec? or will it push people out of nullsec?

feel free to tell me I'm being stupid, please try to limit insults to 1 line, and please be constructive if you are able to.
that said even a "you mad bro?" is better than nothing

You'd push people out of nullsec by making it more profitable to just go mission in highsec. Systems already can't support more than a handful of ratters, if you reduce the number of anomalies then we're still not going to belt rat.

Also, mining ships are not generally paper tanked outside of highsec. And nullsec mining and industry is heading for some serious buffs in the next two patches, so this really isn't needed.

Make Ore sites require scanning down again.

I want to move out to null to mine and start industry, its next on my todo list of things I havent done a whole lot in EVE (industry that is), figured itd be interesting to spend 6 months or so doing it before going back to pvp. Problem is, Id rather go with like BRAVE or N3, but brave so far doesnt seem to have any real dedicated indy groups that ive found, and N3 is so Euro heavy with their indy groups i cant participate (except of course Tangra or associates, but i dont do renters :/)

Moving ore from Hisec to null would most likely result in a cripple effect to the EVE market.

As an Indy corp member in Catch, I can tell you three things of key importance.

1. mining in null is going to be atleast 30% or more profitable than before with the changes coming July 22nd.

2. I kill people with my battle procurer, and fight under the philosophy that Home Defense is the real powering force of truly having Sovereignty.

3. Importing from high-sec just got 50% more expensive and many more times dangerous than having a local industrial market.

There is incentive now to bring indy people into null-sec, you have to be hardy, and fearless. You need to know how to properly fit for where you are, and understand the rules of null-sec.

Don't fly what you can't afford, Always watch local, if there's a neut, don't get pointed, D-scan is your friend, intel channels are your friend, and use scouts for big moves.

Anyway this post, too long.

ABC ore changes are helping with that as is the 31% yeild boost, but yes in general you are right, though any truly isk effecient asshat knows you use lazors or Drones not missiles.

Why wouldn't you? I see no problem with everyone having more stuff to shoot in null, be it miners or the products they produce.

It was an honest question - I was curious.

The reason for asking it was to see if the motivations behind wanting more miners down there are currently not really supported by existing desires/mechanics.

Without knowing why people want miners out there, we can't answer the problem.

Doesn't matter how good an answer you get if you're asking the wrong question



So - in the spirit of contributing and attempting to address the risk/reward WITHOUT making high sec mining better: In low/No security systems, a roid popping (or being mined of Xm3, whatever strikes the corect frequency) will result in a (worthwhile) rat spawn trigger. This can't really be easily exploited by non miners with correct thresholds and the value of the rats could be tuned to be a nice income supplement to miners to get the levels required where risk approximately equated to reward. I'd also not be adverse to giving mining ships bubble immunity (with approximately their current agility)

Ok, got to stop you there. I think you'll find that miners do go to nullsec and make quite a lot of isk out there. In fact, they make a lot more in nullsec in a procurer than they do in high sec in a coveter. The reasons for this are twofold: 1) Rorqual boosts & 2) Better ore

So.... to get more miners to move to nullsec all that's needed is for them to have it explained to them that it's more fun and actually at least as profitable to move to nullsec.

On top of this, have you any idea how amusing it is to be in a fleet of procurers (which are worth very little) which gets jumped by a couple of chancers only for them to discover that the mining ships have either a point or a web and they all field 5 small drones which, when all set to attack the primary, do a rather tasty amount of dps. It's oh so very satisfying to see a couple of pirates explode because they misjudged the defensive capabilities of a fleet of procurers.

Mining is kinda ok at the moment as far as chosing which ship to fly. If people insist on flying untanked mining ships in nullsec they're going to explode. That's just how it is. Those of us that mine in nullsec accept that compromises need to be made on yield/tank/dps in order to work effectively and that mining solo in nullsec is asking for trouble. Use a cheap, tanked mining ship with some dps, fit a point or web and be in a fleet of at least 10 other people with a Rorqual in a POS shield and you're laughing.