Ships & Modules

OP its not really your ideas I disagree with we need a capital that fills the sort of role you are talking about, but I see no reason why it needs to be a new ship, if you addressed your ideas as an alteration of the dreadnought class rather than a whole new ship I think you'd see a lot more support. I know new ships are nice and its been a while since we got one, but they do need a role and they do require the ships already ingame have a role.

Look at assault frigs, You'd look silly suggesting a new, tanky frigate with afterburner bonuses, because we already have AFs they just need a bit of tweaking. The same is true for dreads.

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dude above your are an idiot... a moros right now with 3 mag stabs and rails is only doing 3821 dps... so i dont know where you are pulling the 5312 dps from?

edit i figured out where i did the math wrong... i was taking the base damage and multiplying it by the seige mod bonus of 6.25 but forgot to add the base multiplyer with the new bonus... this has been fixed... but your math is still wrong...

As a dread pilot, I will have to disagree with the tracking and explosion velocity penalties. A dread can be speed tanked by a moving supercap, since webs don't work on supercaps, getting the supercap to stop moving will be difficult. I believe the tracking penalty and explosion velocity should be removed or reduced. 50% tracking penalty and 60% explosion velocity reduction is just too much. 30% for both I believe would be the greatest the penalty should be.

I however agree that the scan resolution penalty is too much and no longer has a valid point.

Reduction to 5 Minutes would be a good thing in the days of supercaps.

In the days of super caps the dread is largely obsolete, the carrier however at least still has a role in terms of logistics and versatility.

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personally instead of a tier two dread i would like to see a ship similar to a battlestar...

make it so you need race specific dread and carrier to IV

the ship would have a fighter bay that could launch 10 fighters and would also have capital sized weapons... make it so it cant dock... make it immune to ewar but can be rr
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perhaps this would be better for all those ship names you came up with?

also +1 for fixing dreads

with some peopel talkign about T2 dreds, insted of making SC nerfed why not make the other caps more capable?

like a T2 dred nerf the T1 version more suited for pos outpost bashing as it was intentialy made for and make a T2 version that wil b usles in that way but more of a SC killing machine made the same way as advanced capital ships

just throwing it out there

I get the feeling non of you have been in a cap fight that was either VS a POS or less than 50 caps total.

The proposed changes here are non viable.

Dreads work perfectly for their intended function: shooting structures (towers, TCU's and SBU's)
Shooting other caps is an option, but for that your far better off going with smaller, cheaper fleets of fast moving ships that can react.

Dont forget dreads are cheap! really cheap. For the cost of one pimped Nyx you can kit out a whole squad of dreads. And for most of us who fly dreads and other caps and have the stones to loose them, the cost of replacing them is really not much at all.

The Naglfar needs a boost, but then that has always been the ugly duckling of dreads. Super carriers need a nerf, everyone knows that and finally siege timers should be halved so they are in-line with the triage mods.

Anything else simply overpowers a ship which does not cost enough to warrant it. Dreads may be super bad ass damage dealers, but they are very cheap super bad ass damage dealers, everyone seems to forget this.

perhaps... but also keep in mind that carriers are almost half the price of a dread and are far more versatile. perhaps they don't have the same raw dps, but their dps can be applied to things other than stationary objects.

i think one of the many concerns is that these capitals (carriers and dreads) are within the price range of carebears, and thus they'd like to be able to have a use for them.

carebears who have the stones to use and lose a carrier in a plex or hell even an L5 mission have the option. the dread however has no carebear use, its niche is reserved for alliance ops or wormholes.

whatever boost is received, it would be nice if they had a dual niche to fit into a small gang as well. hell, the ability to drop on a solo carrier and give it a bit of a run for its money would also be sort of interesting.

*shrug* what do I know, I don't fly these things.

to be honest the only reason i am saying this is at this presatn time ppl who can offord to buy SC are basicaly runnign the show if they want to go and mess up a pos in low sec some where there free to do it so,

big alliance who can filed 20+dreds yeh u dont need a buff, BUT for corps who are thin on the ground and dont feel like being the turkey in a turkey shoot if they thought they had half the chance of winnign then they might even go for the kill giving more pvp an also more stratogy thinking instea do fjust throwing SC everywhere for the fun of it.

and with price JF are only expensive due to the minerals it needs and beign the only ship in eve to use advanced cap parts, if more are being made then JF price would drop makign T2 dreds prices drop and also the T1 dred get cheeper also.

p.s. i am no low sec corp and have never been attaked by roaming SC but have been in battles else where with caps so understand them

To address a few points raised:

1.1 bill is cheap for the hull. very cheap in fact. for the fitted ship with some faction ammo and a navy enam like most rev pilots like, 2bill is cheap.
How is it cheap? They have been the backbone tools of 0.0 alliances since Sov warfare began. There are enough BPO's and BPC's out there that manufacturing costs are dictated almost entirely by mineral price.

Also 2 bill in this game is simply not that much money. If people in empire and lowsec find this hard to fathom that a player can have more than this without scamming/trading or incessant mission whoring, then tough. You just don't appreciate how much ISK is sprayed in to the game.

Having built my own JF, owning a dread and two carriers with no financial input of any alliance entity, i can confirm that normal people can get them to. Also: no alliance fronts the initial cost of the dread for a pilot. You rock up with yours and the alliance pays insurance, covers the difference between the payout and the new ship. capital investment remains the burden of the pilot.

Carriers are half the price
Yup, and they are also useless for direct combat. they die as soon as you blink at them. Your paying money for a massive logistics ship crossed with an indy.
Fighters might look cool, but they are expensive and ineffective. Carriers might look like good tanks, but they are vulnerable to almost everything and hence regularly die in fires (see eve-kill.net for more fail carriers). And finally: there are thousands of them.

Carriers are logistics ships, their impact is to repair towers after dreads have been past and to move fitted ships to a combat area. they have minimal defence and negligible offence for this reason. The cost of a carrier has no impact on the cost of a dread, and for the record, the cost of a fully fitted carrier with drone bay is up to about 1.4 bill, the same as the hull cost of a dread. so they are not to far apart in the bigger order of things.

Carebear use (get out)
Carriers should not be used for bearing. Yea, i have done it, but not got caught. Most people are not so lucky. that said however, please continue this trend as the easy killmails and faction BS that accompany them are really nice to gank on a slow weekend.

Dreads clearly have no dedicated carebear use as they are meant to hit a giant space tower that DOES NOT MOVE. Tracking ships is not what they were designed for. so don't complain that not everything can be used for missions, this is not how the universe was made.

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