Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Then they would just have multiple smaller alliances hold the sov instead.

Its harder to co-ordinate a bunch of smaller alliances and it makes fracturing coalitions a bit easer. It also means there are things you could do to to make things harder - for example a 90% reduction in ratting bounties if you are in an alliance and the sov isn't yours. Discourages alliances getting too big but doesn't prevent it

Like I say, all of Null needs a revamp - poking a stick at little bits here and there isnt going to fix things.

I think you are trying to say that this would be an unfair get out of jail free card in some situations. My counter argument is that it is much more unfair to suddenly change the stakes in a war, making the cost of defeat staggeringly high all of a sudden.

Either way, someone is going to benefit from the change and I for one would prefer to minimise that benefit.

Oh, pardon me, but did you just say that it is "unfair to change the stakes in a war"? What about industrialists who are encouraged (my bad) into POS or going to 00 sec after Crius? About the partially massively increased cost and risk for diminished returns in the industry field? About haulers and their easier to gank ships? If we can cope with that, I am pretty sure that true 00 sec dwellers can cope with such a change as well. If not then ... you get the picture.

If your SOV bill was paid at the time of outpost destruction, wouldn't CONCORD have some responsibility to move your stuff? Due to the difficulties of doing so, only 50% of your stuff (standard drop mechanics) might make it to your NPC home station, the rest would drop at the site. CONCORD's magic moving company won't have much time to be picky about what gets onto the magic freighter.

And everyone who is unsubbed between the change and the destruction of the station containing their stuff is just going to have to deal with it, right?

I know if I came back to find all my stuff gone, I wouldn't bother staying long...

Exactly.

But hey, they should have moved that stuff right? Because they should have known.

There don't need to be any exceptions. If you put your stuff in a player owned (currently non-destructible) outpost you accept that ALL of that stuff could potentially be lost to you at any time should the station come under attack. I get that you may have the opportunity to firesale etc and destroying the outpost and everything in it is more permanent, but I think that's how nullsec should be. It should be more risky and more rewarding than it currently is. That being said, before they make player outposts destructible CCP really need to address the supercap power blocks.

I'd love to see sov mechanics completely overturned and made dynamic and occupancy based. I think it was you Rivr Luzade (sorry if it's not) who said small alliances don't belong in 0.0 because they don't provide the content EVE needs? I think it's the completely opposite situation. So much of 0.0 is unoccupied with a superblock holding sov, purely for moon mining purposes. Occupancy based sov would allow smaller alliances in and provide way more opportunities for PvP, PvE and Industry.

Im thinking that making station services fully destructible would be a better solution. You blow up the repair service, and randomly selected ships fall out, blow up some other service and cans of randomly selected items drops out. Blow up another and some poor corp's hangar gets emptied. Blow up cloning service and your 2B ISK HG pirate implate clone gets vacuumed!

I don't think blowing up the whole station is a good idea, but making it a relitively less safe place to store your goods is a good idea. Also gives the sov/station holder a reason to drop buy and make sure you haven't jacked some of their stuff!

Currently, if your stuff gets locked in, there are several different methods you can use to get it out. If it's destroyed, however, then that's potentially billions of ISK gone with no warning, no way of recovering it, and absolutely nothing you can do about it (assuming you're unsubbed. if you're subbed, there is merely nothing you can do about it.)

All it would do is encourage people to either keep their stuff in conquerable stations instead of outposts, or, more likely, not have their gear in nullsec at all. You keep harping on about wanting more people in nullsec, can you explain how making living in nullsec full time into an awful idea helps with this goal? Or how unsubbing leading to the loss of the entirety of one's assets helps the game in any way?