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New FW system and 1v1 - a call to soloers.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-06-16 16:14:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
I'll give an example
Killboard link removed. -ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

It was a long fight, his rails missing me constantly, his dps coming from drones and the odd rail hit now and then, orbiting at 500 with TD and webs on him.
The guys was in low structure when i went boom, the rat effectively decided the fight there.
I agree the rat's 15% dmg is significant if the fight was close. The guy doesn't deserve to hold a BNI Master Class in Solo PVP. Go mock him on his blog. Big smile

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Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-06-16 16:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
Slade Antonius wrote:


As for that fight you linked, op, I think that maybe using faction rockets instead of rage may have made the difference in your favor. .


Nah with 2 webs they hit perfectly xD


@ Gully. Yeh the guy's a pro, so you can imagine how hard i raged that time, i'm not saying it would have been 100% win without the rat, but i think the odds would have been in my favour =(

now stay on topic!!

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-06-16 17:17:53 UTC
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
now stay on topic!!
Big smile

On topic, my personal preference would be no rats at all, with timer rollbacks.


Your idea of 'LP guardian' rats that would only shoot if aggressed isn't bad at all, though.

Would also solve my personal pet peeve: our darn own-militia rats that wh*re on our solo killmails!!!

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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#24 - 2014-06-16 17:20:08 UTC
If you want solo do not come to the HED constellation nor Kourm/kam/huola. We (as in ALL inhabitants not just me and my mates) will all, to a letter completely own anyone out of existance and that player will then get pissed off and never come back. Why?

Escalation of the meta basically. With the Neighbours we have and the potential for hotdrops we've all had to get spines made of titanium. Soloers pretty much all fly linked/implanted/drugged because they die in short order otherwise. Even to other soloers simply because EVEYONE local does not trust that solo guy is solo. He is in fact an alt of somebody with a hotdrop button. Since everythings a tarp what you do is go full kite, shoot the target and either it dies with no chance to get you what so ever or it presses the cyno button because it'd die otherwise and you leave the area due to arazu/rapier.

Thing is it's not an excuse, I miss flying unlinked but I'll be damned if I give free kills to people that just lol at you for getting caught. be it minnies, pirates or neut null sec alliances. I am no special snowflake, this is not just my thought pattern.

Let's take Huola as an example, they do things differantly to us in sis but the end result is the same. You WTFpwn the target till they realise coming in is not a good plan. The only people that do know they will die OR they are new and won't return after a few days of trying. Sis/huola same thing differant methods.

Knock on effect, no newbies in the area for long. Vets don't plex, militia stagnates in that area and everyone stays docked and moans no one comes to them. the pipe from sis - Huola 'should' be some of the best pvp in EVE but currently is dull for everyone. I blame the bored null sec alliances/pirates for 50% of that as they use us as content because they are so damn bored in null sec.

Amarr also has a major issue in that the vast majority of vets are completely bitter at plexing. In fact many will openly say 'don't bother plexing' to newbs which is wrong. Both for help with WZ control but also inspiring newbies to pvp because that's where it all starts. Hopefully in the coming months we can resolve that and bring a fresher stance to the table because if we don't this just get's duller.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#25 - 2014-06-16 17:43:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Flyinghotpocket
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:


Knock on effect, no newbies in the area for long. Vets don't plex, militia stagnates in that area and everyone stays docked and moans no one comes to them. the pipe from sis - Huola 'should' be some of the best pvp in EVE but currently is dull for everyone. I blame the bored null sec alliances/pirates for 50% of that as they use us as content because they are so damn bored in null sec.

Amarr also has a major issue in that the vast majority of vets are completely bitter at plexing. In fact many will openly say 'don't bother plexing' to newbs which is wrong. Both for help with WZ control but also inspiring newbies to pvp because that's where it all starts. Hopefully in the coming months we can resolve that and bring a fresher stance to the table because if we don't this just get's duller.



you can blame the pirates, and you would be completely correct. but other 50% is a blame on pilots who dont want to plex. plexing in almost every system will generate somebody coming to check you out and determine if they want to fight or not.

The only vets that are still around that are bitter at plexing are those who have had a history of not caring for plexing at all. Those of us who cared about plexing from day one are still plexing today. Much like the minmatar militia has had a handicap and his name was sasawong.

For those of you who dont know sasawong did all the plexing for the minmatar militia since forever and the minmatar never had to do any plexing, it was just roam and gank for them. roam and gank. roam and gank. They didn't care about occupancy because you could dock in a system no matter what it is, "sasawong will take care of it" was the motto. And that handicap has forced all the minmatar who never cared about plexing to blob up into 1 system and gank what ever comes into a plex and a stargate. The strategies haven't change, just there is more parties involved.

Amarr have their handicaps too which were PIE, Amarrian retribution, and 1pg. For years they were the only ones caring about plexing while the rest got to roam and gank. roam and gank. and now THAT majority is bitter because plexing is the new roaming.

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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#26 - 2014-06-16 18:40:33 UTC
King Fu Hostile had an interesting idea in kronos FW thread.
Quote:

These help a bit, so +1

But instead of rats, why not have a structure:

1) this structure only shoots members of the opposing militia when under fire by them (it does not auto-agress)
2) because it does not interfere with PVP, it can have much bigger tank regen, and dps

same dps check, but improved?


Hopefully CCP will implement something like that soon enough.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#27 - 2014-06-16 21:03:08 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
King Fu Hostile had an interesting idea in kronos FW thread.
Quote:

These help a bit, so +1

But instead of rats, why not have a structure:

1) this structure only shoots members of the opposing militia when under fire by them (it does not auto-agress)
2) because it does not interfere with PVP, it can have much bigger tank regen, and dps

same dps check, but improved?


Hopefully CCP will implement something like that soon enough.


Agreed but please, not a structure. No more structure shoots! Do EXACTLY what it just descibed but make it a ship,.

@FHP, can't disagree with you and amarr suffer more than most from that split in player metalities simply because of the small amount of active players. Has a chuckle to myself the other day, more people in RF freight channel than in amarr militia chat.

Epic.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#28 - 2014-06-17 04:13:52 UTC
I have some good news.

The rats actually do stop attacking when you start a pvp fight. I was in a plex and was getting attacked by a rat. A neutral came in and I attacked him and took the security status hit. I noticed the rat was only yellow boxing me.

I think we have to give this one to ccp for nice design!

the rat damage you took was probably before the fight started. Sure I would rather not have rats at all either (or have it so the rats don't agro until you attack.) But at least they aren't attacking you when you are in the middle of a pvp fight.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#29 - 2014-06-17 04:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Cearain wrote:
I have some good news.

The rats actually do stop attacking when you start a pvp fight. I was in a plex and was getting attacked by a rat. A neutral came in and I attacked him and took the security status hit. I noticed the rat was only yellow boxing me.

I think we have to give this one to ccp for nice design!

the rat damage you took was probably before the fight started. Sure I would rather not have rats at all either (or have it so the rats don't agro until you attack.) But at least they aren't attacking you when you are in the middle of a pvp fight.


rat most likely swapped agro. I do not believe rats go passive under current mechanics. Perhaps you require a notification from the rat to tell you it is changing targets?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#30 - 2014-06-17 05:09:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
I have some good news.

The rats actually do stop attacking when you start a pvp fight. I was in a plex and was getting attacked by a rat. A neutral came in and I attacked him and took the security status hit. I noticed the rat was only yellow boxing me.

I think we have to give this one to ccp for nice design!

the rat damage you took was probably before the fight started. Sure I would rather not have rats at all either (or have it so the rats don't agro until you attack.) But at least they aren't attacking you when you are in the middle of a pvp fight.


rat most likely swapped agro. I do not believe rats go passive under current mechanics. Perhaps you require a notification from the rat to tell you it is changing targets?



Nope no rats whoring on my kill.

Have to give it up for ccp on this one.

edit: although it's possible they switched to one of my drones.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-06-17 06:10:33 UTC
Now the farmers will just join factions with a lot of defensive plexing and a high tier.

What CCP planned to do massively backfired.

The farmers still make about the same amount of LP and the actual pvpers and o-plexers will have a massive struggle.

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#32 - 2014-06-17 12:00:46 UTC
Luwc wrote:
Now the farmers will just join factions with a lot of defensive plexing and a high tier.

What CCP planned to do massively backfired.

The farmers still make about the same amount of LP and the actual pvpers and o-plexers will have a massive struggle.


It's way too soon to make broad conclusions about the warzone. Defensive plexing is a big deal at tier 4. Will it be at tier 2? 1? And if you want a system group together and take it. The farmers only come out when peeps aren't there.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-06-17 12:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Luwc
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Luwc wrote:
Now the farmers will just join factions with a lot of defensive plexing and a high tier.

What CCP planned to do massively backfired.

The farmers still make about the same amount of LP and the actual pvpers and o-plexers will have a massive struggle.


It's way too soon to make broad conclusions about the warzone. Defensive plexing is a big deal at tier 4. Will it be at tier 2? 1? And if you want a system group together and take it. The farmers only come out when peeps aren't there.


The "winning side" usualy has the higher tier...
The tier will be kept high while all the farmers are there.
The farmers will stay there if the tier is high.
They cant O-farm so the tier will stay high.

And there are always two high tier d-plexing factions to switch btw.

Its a circle.

Usualy the circle was : Farm o-plexing up to a high tier. Farm d-plexing as long as possible. Switch sides to O-plex again
Now the circle is : Farm d-plexing while at high tier. Switch to other FW (Gallente - Caldari, Minmatar - Amarr) Farm d-plexing while at high tier... repeat

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#34 - 2014-06-17 13:22:14 UTC
I am not thrilled with the increase in alt deplexing this change brought on either.

However its not that hard to get a fairly easy farmer fit for oplexing as well. (not that everyone is pleased with that either. But we have to acknowledge that rats are basically crops and as long as your mechanics are relying on them it will at base be a farming system)

But the other thing to keep in mind is the role missions play. If your faction has a high tier defensive plexing might be easier than oplexing but compared with missioning you are getting very little of value. The missioners will get huge amounts of lp and devalue it so defensive plexing will pay still worse. Plus when people switch to missions they are no longer effecting occupancy.

This is one of the reasons why I am glad missioning rewards are tied to tier. It does help balance things a bit on the occupancy front.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#35 - 2014-06-17 13:37:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Those that put deplexing over missions are either too new to have the right standings or really bad at math. Farmers also don't contribute to the tier level - *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#36 - 2014-06-17 15:22:30 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
If you want solo do not come to the HED constellation nor Kourm/kam/huola. We (as in ALL inhabitants not just me and my mates) will all, to a letter completely own anyone out of existance and that player will then get pissed off and never come back. Why?

Escalation of the meta basically. With the Neighbours we have and the potential for hotdrops we've all had to get spines made of titanium. Soloers pretty much all fly linked/implanted/drugged because they die in short order otherwise. Even to other soloers simply because EVEYONE local does not trust that solo guy is solo. He is in fact an alt of somebody with a hotdrop button. Since everythings a tarp what you do is go full kite, shoot the target and either it dies with no chance to get you what so ever or it presses the cyno button because it'd die otherwise and you leave the area due to arazu/rapier.

Thing is it's not an excuse, I miss flying unlinked but I'll be damned if I give free kills to people that just lol at you for getting caught. be it minnies, pirates or neut null sec alliances. I am no special snowflake, this is not just my thought pattern.

Let's take Huola as an example, they do things differantly to us in sis but the end result is the same. You WTFpwn the target till they realise coming in is not a good plan. The only people that do know they will die OR they are new and won't return after a few days of trying. Sis/huola same thing differant methods.

Knock on effect, no newbies in the area for long. Vets don't plex, militia stagnates in that area and everyone stays docked and moans no one comes to them. the pipe from sis - Huola 'should' be some of the best pvp in EVE but currently is dull for everyone. I blame the bored null sec alliances/pirates for 50% of that as they use us as content because they are so damn bored in null sec.

Amarr also has a major issue in that the vast majority of vets are completely bitter at plexing. In fact many will openly say 'don't bother plexing' to newbs which is wrong. Both for help with WZ control but also inspiring newbies to pvp because that's where it all starts. Hopefully in the coming months we can resolve that and bring a fresher stance to the table because if we don't this just get's duller.





Who cares if they press a cyno button while in a FW plex? It's not like it will work there.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#37 - 2014-06-17 20:21:36 UTC
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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#38 - 2014-06-17 21:17:25 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
If you want solo do not come to the HED constellation nor Kourm/kam/huola. We (as in ALL inhabitants not just me and my mates) will all, to a letter completely own anyone out of existance and that player will then get pissed off and never come back. Why?

Escalation of the meta basically. With the Neighbours we have and the potential for hotdrops we've all had to get spines made of titanium. Soloers pretty much all fly linked/implanted/drugged because they die in short order otherwise. Even to other soloers simply because EVEYONE local does not trust that solo guy is solo. He is in fact an alt of somebody with a hotdrop button. Since everythings a tarp what you do is go full kite, shoot the target and either it dies with no chance to get you what so ever or it presses the cyno button because it'd die otherwise and you leave the area due to arazu/rapier.

Thing is it's not an excuse, I miss flying unlinked but I'll be damned if I give free kills to people that just lol at you for getting caught. be it minnies, pirates or neut null sec alliances. I am no special snowflake, this is not just my thought pattern.

Let's take Huola as an example, they do things differantly to us in sis but the end result is the same. You WTFpwn the target till they realise coming in is not a good plan. The only people that do know they will die OR they are new and won't return after a few days of trying. Sis/huola same thing differant methods.

Knock on effect, no newbies in the area for long. Vets don't plex, militia stagnates in that area and everyone stays docked and moans no one comes to them. the pipe from sis - Huola 'should' be some of the best pvp in EVE but currently is dull for everyone. I blame the bored null sec alliances/pirates for 50% of that as they use us as content because they are so damn bored in null sec.

Amarr also has a major issue in that the vast majority of vets are completely bitter at plexing. In fact many will openly say 'don't bother plexing' to newbs which is wrong. Both for help with WZ control but also inspiring newbies to pvp because that's where it all starts. Hopefully in the coming months we can resolve that and bring a fresher stance to the table because if we don't this just get's duller.

Come and visit the Cal/Gal zone for a few weeks. Top right quarter is pretty healthy for solo and small gang. I can't really comment on the rest of the map since I never seem to make it that far!

You are right about Sis/Huola pipe - I remember it fondly. A shame it has deteriorated.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#39 - 2014-06-17 21:20:51 UTC
To all those complaining about us evil pirates the solution is obvious: let pirates also plex. We could get pirate faction LP! Makes perfect sense.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#40 - 2014-06-17 21:24:38 UTC
Zappity wrote:
To all those complaining about us evil pirates the solution is obvious: let pirates also plex. We could get pirate faction LP! Makes perfect sense.
As long as we can lock you out of your stations, I'm all for it!