Ships & Modules

Why people insist on sticking an MJD on every single mission battleship I'll never know. IT's not like you're going to have trouble tanking in this ship if you insist on using it in L4s, at least use an MWD/AB to make use of the sexy speed, it will be more useful for getting from gate to gate.

I'm surprised you haven't noticed how many gankers just do it for the fun and tears these days. A Barghest especially is still a pretty juicy and enticing killmail, faction/deadspace mods or not.

I'd x up with a catalyst for a shot at a Bharghest kill mail right now. Still has that new and shiny feel to it.

MJD makes a ship essentially unkillable in L4's which is an important consideration if you want to bring a 3B isk ship into a mission that only pays out 40M or so. Risk vs reward and all that.

That being said people will still gladly suicide gank you with a dozen tornadoes in 1.0 Sec space since its a BARGHEST.

there are other subtle differences between the Raven, CNR, and Golem as well. Drones, volley damage, fitting, velocity, agility, targeting, cap, Hit points, Bastion mode (okay that one maybe not so subtle).

anyways I don't have a missile spreadsheet and my missile alt isn't active so I can't go try it out. But the ship seems to have enough strengths that I think it has a shot at being viable.

Machs dont generally use that much tank do they?

Not everyone likes to PVP in the game .. and when running lvl 4 missions is nice to have a range of different ships to fly in instead of always looking at the same old Typhoon, Tempest and what not ..

The other reason I asked for advice was because when you load up EFT and do that setup its is a lot more tank than a Typhoon ..

Also why would anyone pay 1.8b on a ship , if your crafty enough you can buy the bpc for 1 ..

Having half a brain and a decent fit T1 Battleship will also make you unkillable in L4 missions...

Honestly L4s are so predictable and easy that if you're competent pilot losing one is nearly impossible, I missioned in Ravens with low skills ages ago before MJDs were introduced and never even came close to losing my ship. MWDs are far more useful for positioning your ship and burning to gates/mission items.

I also notice that people often run only an MJD with no other prop mod, this means that your triangulations have to be perfect or you'll end up having to slowboat at an extremely slow speed, even if you miss the outgate by only 10km you'll still waste alot of valuable time. Also the small amount of extra gank you can slap on with MJD fits are often outweighed by things like wasted volleys, inability to effectively use combat drones and the aforementioned slowboating problems. I've tried MJDs extensively and honestly, regular tank/gank fits with a prop mod are better 90% of the time.



Even if you buy the BPC for 1, you are still 'paying' 1.8 bil if you use materials you mined yourself to build it. Even if you buy the built ship for 1 and the market is selling it at 1.8bil, you didn't get it 'cheaper' because you're paying for the cost of not selling it on the market and making a profit. Oppurtunity cost, look it up.

Don't forget the 4x Cap Mods for the all important hallmark of EFT warriors: Cap Stable + Gist boosters.

I normally triangulate myself literally on top of the gate. I don't think you understand how big the gate's structure signature (or whatever you call it) is. Even if you do miss it will be by ~4 km and not 10 which isnt an issue either as you can just shoot a BS while you slowboat for 20 seconds.

You jump from beacon to 100 km away from the gate. If you ever miss triangulation, it will be with the FIRST jump. You might find yourself at ~80km or something. This is where you slowboat because you had to wait between jumps anyway. You position yourself more favorably for the second jump. If you're at 90 km you should land at 0 with your second jump, because of the size of the gate.

Finally, MJD generally puts you out of range of all TD, ECM, or sensor damping making it even better.

Unbonused combat drones are never that effective anyway, just blap your frigs when they approach your ship thats 100 km away rather than having to watch drone HP and pull them in 3 times while they try to kill a single elite frig.