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Thank you for these nice, polished changes. I look forward to Team Super Friends posting a DevBlog where the "little things" include folders and other improvements to the IGB.

As do I. Skillijg something I don't want waiting for something I need to finish when I can't log in drives me nuts

Adding my support for this idea as well. When I came back about a week ago, I realized I was in over my head after being away for so long, so decided to use a spare character slot and run Tutorial / Career missions to get acclimated again.

The end product of that was a handfull of skill books that cannot be injected, because a certain skill was not Level III. This has always been a personal pet peeve of mine since starting in '09, and having it injectable (but colored red to denote lacking prerequisites) would go a long way to making these initial skillbooks useful.

No more slow warps in buble with vindis and NMs, Mach FTW

7+ years in eve and I was so excited to say that I could fit all t2 rigs just the other day, and in a few weeks that wont mean anything lulz!

A suggestion:

• Leave the way Rigs are fitted now alone (i.e. checking skill when fitting, not when using). Relates to the next point below.


• Make Jury Rigging the one required skill to fit all rigs. Meaning, you only need this skill to fit whatever rig (IV for T2 rigs, for one).
- This will allow professional riggers to continue their line of work, and also allow independent riggers to continue to rig their own ships at their own choosing.
- May need to increase Skill Rank to compensate for the change in its functionality (since you no longer need X Rigging skills to fit rigs) so as to retain similar training time required as now.


• X Rigging skills no longer require Jury Rigging as requirement, but still require Mechanics.


• Make all other X Rigging skills only work to reduce drawbacks. (Probably rename to X Rig Compensation or something.)
- This would help professional riggers in not requiring to train skills they don't need to.
- But how to make it an incentive for people to train this (since some people already don't care about drawbacks)?
- Instead of increasing drawbacks, how about removing it completely at skill level V? But this could break the game (e.g. increasing shield tanking without increasing sig radius, which means not increasing the effectiveness of incoming attacks).
- If the above doesn't work, how about giving a small bonus to the rig's effectiveness? Say, 1%/level trained? (Something like the Shield/X Compensation skills which improve the effectiveness of Shield Boosters and Hardeners). The theory for this is that with the appropriate skill and knowledge of X Rig Compensation, a pilot is able to mitigate the drawback the Rig brings and able to make more use out of the rigs than an unskilled pilot. It's like in real life. A person who knows exactly how something works can always put it to better use with minimal drawback than a person who don't know how that thing works.
- May need to increase Skill Rank of individual Rigging skills to compensate for lack of requiring Jury Rigging as pre-requisite to make it more in-line as current training time, and to make up for the additional bonus it may bring.

Reading through the thread, this should help deal with the problems that people are facing.

And yes, we would be interested to know what kind of drawbacks you guys are going to introduce to those rigs without drawbacks, as that would be quite a game changer for ships using those rigs.

I understand the misgivings about rigs, but the fact that someone else can rig a ship for you has always been a rather silly roundabout way of everyone being able to use rigs and I'm glad to see it gone.

Jury Rigging was always a strange skill- there's no point in training it to V; for practical rig users, only III is needed as a pre-req to the specific rigging skills, but only to reduce the downsides. For all uses post this change, III will be the most you ever need. It's obvious the rigging skills need some love, especially with this change in mind.

+1 to all the voices saying leave rigs alone.


However, assuming that it is going to be pushed through anyway (one of the first bad changes from these "little things"), make it so that people need the skill in order to undock with that rig fitted. Leave all drawbacks as they are.

This will likely have no effect on the majority of people using T1 rigs, since it takes about 6 hours tops to train a rigging skill to 1 (assuming they still needed to train Jury Rigging, if that is already trained then it's about 15 minutes), and means that those people who have trained a particular rigging skill to IV in order to use T2 rigs do not feel like they have wasted training time.


Although, personally I would still prefer rigs and their skills to be left as they are, and simply prevent them from being fit if a person doesn't have the skills.

The biggest problem though is that this isn't a little change. It's a massive change, that has ramifications on skills, and apparently even potentially adding drawbacks to rigs that do not currently have them.

This is trying to come up with a solution to a problem that does not currently exist, and only exists if this change is pushed through.


I find it a bit confusing that this has been hidden in Test Server Feedback, rather than Features and Ideas where it would seem like it should belong.


Please seriously reconsider allowing rigs to be fit by anybody has serious implications beyond just allowing people to fit other peoples ships for them.

This is a good chance to make Jury Rigging actually useful. Instead of simply ‘enabling’, investing time in it should provide more fitting options, with Level 5 providing a marginal, yet still tempting increase in flexibility.

So I propose the following:

Jury Rigging:

Each level reduces the calibration cost of rigs by 5.

In this way, all rigs would have their calibration costs reduced by 25 at level 5, allowing a fully invested rigger the ability to fit two 200-cost rigs to a Faction ship.

Just my two pfennigs.