Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know Incarna had some bumps associated with it, but we're a few years down the road now.

If you really care about the new player experience, and you really want to expand the player base, well, I can remember as a new player really being shocked after generating my elaborate character and finding that I could not leave the captain's quarters.

The complaint at Incarna boiled down to: it's time to quit adding new stuff and fix the stuff that's imbalanced. Every time there's an expansion we get a bunch of new stuff, and it's always imbalanced. Eve is a spaceship game, and spaceships are broke. Avatar play is a completely new feature, and it has nothing to do with the game as it already exists. Therefore, do not add it. Instead, fix spaceships.

This argument was a driving force that caused major upset for CCP and the game. However, the argument and ensuing upset had nothing to do with whether or not avatar play is a good idea. It was merely a result of circumstance. I came to the game around Retribution. Since I have been playing, every single expansion has been based around fixing and balancing and beautifying spaceships.

Spaceships are not broken anymore, in general.

The rebalancing and improving expansions have been excellent and done their job. The game will continue to be refined and rebalanced constantly at this point. There will always be some refining and rebalancing to do. But it's not a huge priority anymore.

The refining and rebalancing push and the hatred for avatar play came from the then existing player base (largely the currently existing player base). This player base is stagnant if not shrinking.

Current priorities are:

New Player Experience - winning, keeping, and selling the game on new players. Well, new players are generally shocked there's no avatars. Everybody else has avatars. Female players like avatars. Roleplayers like avatars. Players coming to Eve from different game experiences expect and want avatars.

One Universe - DUST has avatars. There was once talk of a space bridge and player interaction. Project Legion will have avatars. Valkyrie may or may not have avatars, but it will be a better and cooler game if it will have them, and it will be easier to integrate with Eve, DUST, and Legion if it has avatars. If avatars are already richly in place in Eve when Valkyrie is about done, porting them into Valkyrie will be easy.

NEX Store - with subscriptions not rising, the NEX Store needs to be an important piece of revenue. If avatars were important, so would the NEX Store be important. I don't buy ship skins because ships blow up. Avatars don't blow up. Therefore I've bought a couple of items of clothing. If avatars were important, I'd buy more.

All of these reasons are reasons to add true avatar play to Eve. The code you write now and the models you build now will become useful later as Legion and Valkyrie come online and the One Universe takes shape.

Please open the door to the Captain's Quarters.

Look kids it's a bear posting about Incarna. What a novel, new event, and completely without precedent.

I'm sure that no one has ever posted on this topic before.

B t w Incarna failed because CCP tried to microtransaction. Look up Greed is Good sometime and get educated before posting something without a solid foundation.

Given that the things related to WIS and ship balancing make use of two entirely separate teams who really aren't capable of doing each others' jobs, there's no reason why WIS has to wait until after ship balancing except that three-quarters of EVE's playerbase seems totally ignorant of the fact that separate and specialized divisions even exist at CCP.

I would love to see a lounge type room with a window similar to that in the DUST pre game lobby. Only have the window reflect either real time undock (more interesting to watch in some cases but allows intel for those docked), or a simulated one like the simulated ships flying through station we have now. If you could allow multiple players in one instance even better.

Aesthetics and cosmetics are not relevant to a discussion of sandbox and thempark.

We're not playing a game where you're just flying boxes around in box-space

Neither are we playing a game filled with mindless mingames. Thats all WiS would come to. Maybe a few places to play mini-games with other players. That does not benefit the EVE philosophy and actually counter acts it.

You've added nothing to the thread at all. Go away.

I've posted valid criticism for your reasons why you think your thread is unique and even attempted to enlighten you that the basis for why you think the Jita Riots happened are wholly wrong. I may not be sensitive to your 'feelings', but the argument is valid and there. If you choose to ignore it then there are no grounds for legitimate discussion.

Educate yourself.

But what is the point? How does it benefit the concept of EVE-Online? EVE is entierly based on a Risk/Reward philosophy, and a open mindedness to the type Anti-hero/Villain character, in no way what you propose is beneficial toward the EvE-community. If you could buy clothes from the store? So what I can do from the NEX store or the Market with having to walk to it. I wouldn't use it at all.

Just because Skyrim has a following doesn't mean it will help EVE. I play Skyrim and in no way is a bad game, however The ES-Skyrim design philosophy does not in away come close to what EVE-Online is try to do.

What your want from WiS is simply Second Life in EVE, and Second Life as no point being in EVE.

Everything you want, is something that isn't important to the Game Design, WiS is dead, the Developers have said so themselves, and wishing for it to continue is beating a dead horse a half developed horse. And if CCP tried to open the WiS even further it would either, A. Cost them money, or B, Cause even more in-game Riots, and in that effect a Market crash.


Also, Educate yourself < this has a point, and you should read it before condemning a valid augment.

I disagree, Everything about EVE is Risk/Reward game based in Space, entire systems have been reworked because it did not fall into that category.

Also I feel you fall into a very some category of players with EVE, Carebear or not, most EVE players do not care about Roleplaying. EVE is not based on Roleplaying, those who do try to RP, generally are shunned by the majority and make small community that play in without interaction from an outside entity.

As for the 'carebear' not being worth listening to, most EVE players do not care for the anti-pvp attitude, that carebear tend to carry with them. If are that type of person, then you opinions are valid, as is every other person, however just because you are entitled to giving your opinion, doesn't mean that people have to put up with it. People are rude, but rude people also make very harsh points.

In terms of immersion, I'm sorry if it's different for you, but I spend probably about 80% of my active time in EVE is undocked. The only time I'm docked is when I'm fitting new ships for my PvP toon, or when I'm redoing my market orders on my Trade toon, who spends 100% docked, but if you account for the amount of time I'm acutally doing thing with the trader, Im starting at windows and microsoft excel, I don't need WiS to do that. The majority of the people I play with, do not sit in station. My Blues do not sit ideally in station, they spend all the time in and outside the undock. If you want cosmetic immersion, CCP needs to focus outside rather than in.

Incarna, isn't something I was around for. But for the most part if you don't understand, when Mircotrans were released, players ruined the game. And by that I mean, the EVE economy was pushed to the verge of collapse. You could not enter Jita without losing the ship you were in, the prices of the surround trade hubs rose, And CCP had to apologize for the entire thing. Why did that happen? Because it was Mircotrans were against the principle of EVE.

Now, Mircotrans came with clothing for your avatar. which was released WITH Incarna, and WiS. That is why WiS died. The connection is there, WiS was merely a money grab for CCP. If CCP tried to rework WiS it would need some sort of funding. Now, subs pay for the expansions, the new graphics, updated servers, DUST514, Legion, Valkyrie, along with PLEX, CCP doesn't really have a lot to work with when comes to WiS, unless they dedicate an entire expansion to rework it, and to be frank, there a ton of other things that need to be fix before we get a RPing system implemented. Like Wardec, and Sov, Off Grid Boosting, and so forth. A ton of Code needs to be rewritten if CCP want to implement the new ship painting system. They need to rewrite 11 years of code, because the current system for spaceships, will not allow a player to customize it's skin. Thats why the shipskins are released as a separate item, because in the system the Hyperion and the Interbus Hyperion are two entirely seperate ships.

Basically, even if CCP wanted to make WiS a thing. They have way too much on their plate to deal with first.

And again, CCP themselves do not want WiS to be apart of EVE. The Majority of EVE's community wants nothing to do with WiS. You are apart of a small fanbase, sorry to say, that will never have enough pull to force CCP into making WiS into a full fledge system.

If you feel strongly about, start a petition.