Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Good idea. But one suggestion.

Wait until after the upcoming module tiericide which will completely change the roles of many of the weapon modules from linear upgrades to them having different functionality.

+1 for the man brave enough to admit that it took him a year and a half to figure out that mess.

yh makes sense, maybe they can bundle this in with that when it hits release

This !


I don't get the whole ISIS thing either, checked it out once to see what the fuzz is about, never opened it since, doesn't tell me anything like the useless certificates or masteries.

But I guess if one craps all over the effective info window with added icons, split numbers, mini sliders and rearranges everything including color, a new tool must come to unfog everything a bit that has been clear before, but got redesigned to a compulsive hoarderers kitchen.

In regards to the info window: Simple black and white spread sheets work with colums and rows. If its the best there is (proved by decades of excel) then stop trying to make it visually appealing when it takes from the functionality. Again, if i want to see how many turrets a ship has, I want to see an 8 in the blink of an eye and not count rings while starting over and over again, since there is no visual division.

And if you need to look at an icon to understand the traits of a ship... undock in a pod and ask in local if they can show you the way to your clone facility.

k'ahn, imagine isis from the perspective of someone who hasnt read about or played the game before.

they dnt know that caldari favor missiles and hybrids with shield tank. or that ECM is their e-war.
They dont know how one type of ship progresses into the other. They dont know what a recon does or what its for.

sure they can look through wiki's and the market and look at each ship individually, or they can have the information in a nice easy to digest layout where they can look at several ships at the same time across multiple sizes.

Its just not very useful to u because u already knew everything it showed u.

but i am still getting used to the new info tabs yeah. the number 8 was easier to read than 8 little circles.

bad luck. always ctrl-a, ctrl-c every post.

Supported. The ISIS could certainly use some expansion catering to modules, but as Bohneik Itohn stated, it would be best to wait for the module tiericide. I'm sure the relevant teams have something in the pipeline for the ISIS in regard to this upcoming change.

Vet ? I just had my first birthday in Eve. This is my first char.

I work in product developement/prototyping and the things that designers think are new and innovative and useful are usually not. Copy paste one concept on everything and putting a personal note on established and well proven features/articles via cosmetics is usually never in benfeit of said item but more a prestige 'promotion' of someones ego. Reselling the same thing with a new package is common practise that comes usually with a facelift catering to public fashion (apple design anyone?) while changing some features around so you have to relearn a lot of things for no reason, just so it looks at first glance that something happened ... improvement is mostly still an illusion.

But if you call me a vet because I sound bitter, then yes, I have seen my fair share of bad design, nonsense and silly ideas.

Same here, but I liked the process of discovery. So no to anything that dumbs down the game.

Aehm not sure elitism was part of my post, just my experience and part of what I do, its not my job description, but that's how my brain works and every day business is. If using objectiveness and your honed perception as well as situational awareness, while drawing form personal and other people experiences and education is elitism, then hell yeah, I am your man. But usually I assume that most people do that, but then again you get disappointed once in a while.

And I am not sure who changes their skill plan in regards to ISIS and I had never anyone refer to it, ever. And I don't change my skill plan, I set a task, commit to it and adjust maybe the order for when my online times allow for gap-less training. I don't train by the flavor of the month or what someone suggests I should do. Not in the first weeks of my EVE life, not now.

Information is power (and saves time, ISK and woe) and you get better information elsewhere and no system can tell you what you like to fly or should, (and should not be able to) it comes from you, how you play, what you like and your experiences, ISIS is useless, go out and try - own experience, best experience.

Can't buy, can't fit, maybe you shouldn't fly it. Wanna see how it handles, try a smaller version. make contacts, chat, ask, ISIS cant tell you about performance, handling, situational usability. Same way I don't fit by killmails or whatever fitting guide is available.

I train beginners and was actively helping others from my second week in EVE, I like helping, I like questions and answers. Especially understanding comes from answering another's question and finding the answer to a question - you don't know the answer to yet. The search alone is worth a thousand guides. No display tool like ISIS can get even close to that.

And what angers me about ISIS (and the masteries) is that it has the audacity to pretend it can and is adviced by some as the tool that it is not. All of that - besides wasting developers time on an insufficient feature. ISIS is mostly cosmetic, it looks the part but doesn't add anything other sources don't - in the end another visual time waster.

And don't get me wrong, it can stay there for whoever needs it (I ll save my sarcasm here), but to extending it and putting more work into it (to go back to the original issue of the thread) is in my opinion a waste of resources that could be used elsewhere.

I hope we got the circle back now.