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EVE is not for me

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Rin Valador
Professional Amateurs
#41 - 2014-06-13 20:39:31 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Such a supportive community...

Christ -_-



<3 you too Anslo.

Ill still get you one of these days.




Back to topic. Can't be stated enough. People is what makes EvE, EvE, and getting a core group of close friends make it all worth it.


You should really take up Rain's offer

"There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-06-13 20:43:30 UTC
Actually surprised OP doesn't take Rain's offer. It's like "I will help you pay your initial sub and teach you advanced stuff about the game".

Maybe he already quit.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Anslo
Scope Works
#43 - 2014-06-13 20:58:20 UTC
Rin Valador wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Such a supportive community...

Christ -_-



<3 you too Anslo.

Ill still get you one of these days.




Back to topic. Can't be stated enough. People is what makes EvE, EvE, and getting a core group of close friends make it all worth it.


You should really take up Rain's offer


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Marsha Mallow
#44 - 2014-06-13 21:00:37 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Thanks Marsha.

so maybe it's embarrassing to hear someone admit they're disappointed because nobody cared. but you know what they say about the faults we find in others. anyone who has thanked a corpmate for watching their back or doing them a favor understands what was missing.

if randprin is aware of it, then he has a capacity for it. players like that should be helped in the high likelihood they'll appreciate it and become the kind of player who is good for the longevity of the game (via subscriptions).

the toxic, harsh aspect of the culture should stay. but you can still exercise some duality by helping a noobie on an alt.

Np, thank you for taking the time out to reply to him properly. Some of these quitting threads are people either just having a bad day or frustrated by bad advice. We can shoot anyone we like ingame and slap each other about verbally for fun, and still make time for people who need it, whether new or returning players.

I have various ingame friends on watchlist (which is confusing now because they are all on different alts of mine) who I often really liked, but were sporadic players due to RL/playing other games etc. Their experience has been vastly different to mine to the point we are literally playing different games. Always makes me a bit sad to see them flash up after retrial offers then leave - mainly out of disappointment. They haven't really scratched the surface of the game. In some ways the onus is on them to go and get it, but after repeated tries I can understand why they get a bit frustrated.

Any new player schemes are worth support, and I've been considering some elements of it recently (in relation to removing the NPE etc). If you have any ideas you'd like to discuss, drop me a mail. I was considering either starting a blog or a forum discussion to test the waters, just making a list of topics atm that interest me and gathering up info.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2014-06-13 21:25:27 UTC
I think there's time.

randprin, if you want to start over with a fresh character, there are buyers who will pay 3 Billion ISK for an untrained 2004 character. if you go that route you should probably edit this topic and the posts in it, for the sake of making a sale with a character that does not have a stigmatized post history.

if you keep randprin I recommend editing this thread and your posts also. randprin the character should be reminder enough to question whether you're making progress; this thread doesn't need to be locked in place and become a permanent reminder of a low point.

and when this whole thing is just a memory in your mind, you can throw it away when you're ready, like it never existed.

send me a maiiiil i know you're coming back. and chances are i'll be here. sooner. later.
randprin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-06-14 12:36:15 UTC
hi all, i actually only got home today (my work actually requires me to travel extensively so i rarely have play time), i read all of the replies in this thread. and i think i should clarify my position a bit.
first, i am not quitting, per say, i'm probably going to play through this month here and there when time allows. and if at the end of it i wouldn't like it enough to think about sticking around i'll let it keep until i feel like trying it again.
second. the notion behind my sentiments when i wrote this thread was simple, you'll forgive me for bringing real world analogs to what is essentially a play ground, but in most cases of real world playground, no matter where they are, bullies (or perceived bully behaviors) are not solved by the actual participants.
even outside the playground, in most corporate/business environment, bullying is at best borderline acceptable, and almost always at least partially masked or hidden. this is due to the fact that as people, we are usually very apprehensive about bullies, and have taken outside measures (from the parent/teacher/keeper on the playground to courts and laws in the corporate and business world) to make sure the bullies are deterred from their behavior.
all i want, is that the something of that nature be incorporated into the EVE universe, because it is obvious from all my visits to this playground, that it has slipped quite far into that state in which normal civil behavior is considered the province of fools.
on a final note to Rain, i appreciate your offer, and if i find myself with a few days where i can play for any length of time i'll take you up on your offer to help.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2014-06-14 14:55:49 UTC
TooBad NZ
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-06-14 15:32:19 UTC
i dont want this to come across as me attacking you but essentially i think your problem is that you dont really have anything to offer a group of people that isnt interested in scamming you or cheating you or extorting you for cheap laughs.
randprin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-06-14 15:36:56 UTC
TooBad NZ wrote:
i dont want this to come across as me attacking you but essentially i think your problem is that you dont really have anything to offer a group of people that isnt interested in scamming you or cheating you or extorting you for cheap laughs.


that's an interesting point actually, what do people in EVE (that aren't looking to do any of those aforementioned activities) look for in their fellow players?
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2014-06-14 15:47:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
manpower, and strength in numbers.

you couldn't afford to pay players to participate in a corp, so they have to come along by choice, for fun. if what you want out of the game agrees with what a group wants out of the game, that's most of the reason why a group would have you. the other part is proficiency, or basically being someone who will contribute to the group rather than be a burden.

"hey guys, I like what you do & it's what I enjoy doing too. I'm good at it and I'd like to do it on a bigger scale like you. If you give me a chance I'll prove to be an asset to you."
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#51 - 2014-06-14 16:45:24 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:

"hey guys, I like what you do & it's what I enjoy doing too. I'm good at it and I'd like to do it on a bigger scale like you. If you give me a chance I'll prove to be an asset to you (or I will just take your assets with me, hehehehe)."


This seems more appropriate.



randprin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2014-06-14 20:35:04 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
manpower, and strength in numbers.

you couldn't afford to pay players to participate in a corp, so they have to come along by choice, for fun. if what you want out of the game agrees with what a group wants out of the game, that's most of the reason why a group would have you. the other part is proficiency, or basically being someone who will contribute to the group rather than be a burden.

"hey guys, I like what you do & it's what I enjoy doing too. I'm good at it and I'd like to do it on a bigger scale like you. If you give me a chance I'll prove to be an asset to you."


that's actually interesting, since at least in the past i'd make a connection in game and try to adjust my character to what they mentioned they need, hence why even though i prefer frigate level ships (assault frigate is my favorite ship to fly) and mining i have quite a bit of skill points committed to other venues like battleship and cruiser level skill.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2014-06-15 02:10:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Believe it or not, at the end of this post is a giant tie-in about finding a group.

RP (Roleplay) space morality is one of the core elements of this game. like, that is one of the main ideas / breaking it is the point / that's what we're paying for / you're touching on a big one. if you're going to stay, you need to reconcile it with your irl morality, and the only way to do that is recognize EVE is a video game and an outlet for things we can't do irl. We don't get to scam people then shoot them with space torpedoes, so we do it here with make-believe.

this is make-believe and not irl, so don't confuse the two.

also, the forums are not off-limits.

I will warn you: lasting in this game will make you more cautious and suspicious of people irl. you'll also find yourself constantly looking for the loophole in situations. irl. (the internet is not off-limits either)

we should definitely talk about what to do in this space game. there's a lot. it's kind of crazy that it's all in a video game. it's 2014 and you found the forums finally. (welcome)

anyway. capsuleers can be slow to try new things. it's easy to settle at the first thing that seems worth the subscription. especially in an active group, there is a focus on certain parts of the game, and possibly a bias against the rest. not only is it difficult to talk about something without letting opinions get in the way, a lot of people need to believe their way is better, and they want to convince you of it too. you know: get you to drink the kool-aid.

it happens due to agenda (they want you to do something specific for their benefit--if not you then someone else), but also by accident. some people can't be objective if they tried, and it's hard to find people who can. it requires a bit of that something irl, and the ones I've met who have it, I love.

what.

as for joining a specific group: it's very important to make sure your goals are aligned with theirs. it's easy to say "yeah, we do that" but when it's not true it's just a matter of time before you move on. one thing you can count on is a player's tendency to fall back on a "most enjoyable" activity.

so it's important to know what you enjoy first, which is impossible if you haven't been exposed to most of what's in here. it's also impossible to know what kind of ship you want, because they do different things. but chances are it's cruiser-class.

after you find that thing you like, find a group that meets in person. Bagrat's joke is funny because it's true, and it's a valid concern, but meeting people face-to-face usually provides enough assurance against those things. for both parties. meeting each other in person is a promise you won't do the make-believe deviant stuff... on your main, anyway.

getting to know someone as a friend is a great way to learn how to mess with them as a stranger.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2014-06-15 05:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
the treachery in EVE is one of those situations that you are either for or against.

it also happens to be a situation that will not change, and being against it is a losing battle.

furthermore, being against it and also complaining about it gives satisfaction to those who are for it. the person who complains is precisely the desired result.

and you have the freedom to accept it, go along with it, appreciate it, even participate in it.

I hope you stay around long enough for this to come full-circle. I think it's a beautiful thing.



for now, forget about groups and let's get on comms and get killed. like absolutely TRY to get ourselves killed. repeatedly. in horrible horrible fires. and after that we can make our way to your stuff in nullsec, hopefully get killed several times in our attempts. and then we can jump into wormholes and see how far we can get before getting killed again.

I have never gone out with reckless abandon, and it would be new for me. I think it would do us both good.

we'll fill our cargo with exotic dancers and other comedy... how does that sound



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TooBad NZ
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2014-06-15 17:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: TooBad NZ
to answer what stops people cheating you: essentially the same things that stop people cheating you irl.

have their respect or have their friendship.



to answer how you can do this: each person does it their own way. perhaps its by being funnier than everyone else or by being more hardworking or by being better at something or by being there to support people... theres no one thing that stands out in my mind.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2014-06-15 17:15:03 UTC
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#57 - 2014-06-16 05:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
hey Randprin,

just a few hours ago I discovered half of my characters were over their medical clone SP or close to it. I spent more than 90 mil on medical clones today.

I still want to do the welp thing, but we should probably not do it on our mains Lol

cuz i was also thinking we should dare whoever pops our ships to also shoot our pods Big smile which makes them take a huge sec hit in lowsec. if we talk enough trash that they shoot our free, nubby pods we're taking -way- more from them than they're taking from us. which is nothing.

actually, yeah, let's use completely new characters... make it caldari -> achura -> school of applied knowledge. that starts you in todaki and I just filled my hangar there with 20 fitted T1 frigates for whatever we do.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2014-06-18 09:27:52 UTC
also maybe make an alt to fly a destroyer, and do nothing but roam highsec (with killrights on you) as a criminal, and shoot any pods you see. any and all.

btw, did you make any alts on your account back in 2004? you can sell them off at 3B - 4B each...

if yes get in touch. i'll help you compose the sale post.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#59 - 2014-06-18 11:59:42 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Why do people feel the need to "shout back through the door" as they're leaving? If you want to leave, then just leave. No need to make a self-percieved dramatic exit. *smh


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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2014-06-18 12:28:41 UTC