Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is something I think need to be completed when possible. When I started wanting to do group stuff some time ago, I was interested in Logi work but upon researching on the matter, I realized there was nothing built for it at a rookie level. Mining had frigs and cruiser, PvE and the shooting side of PvP had all progressive ship class in term of SP requirement but logi only seemed to be worth with the T2 ships. Before they changed the mining cruiser/frigs to logi, all you could do is pretend to try by slapping remote reps on a non bonused ship and pretend you could do it because you would cap out after 3 cycles and never have the rage to pull it in a decent way.

Making sure every path has a "beginner" path to it so people can wet their feet into it before committing months of training is good for the game. Training to Logistic IV and then realizing it's not for you would be a waste of your own time. Yes the SP is still there to use later but you learned too late it was not something you enjoy.

Well, on this comment I have to defend the accused from the argument from popularity, just because everyone else thinks its right, doesn't make it so, but it doesnt excuse the lone indivuduum from doing proper research and applying some braingoo before complaining to the world.

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Fallacy pirate at work.

When the purpose of the proposal is to make things better for the majority then the opinion of the majority counts. Plus, this is just so pathetic it would be criminal to not mock.



several arguments have been put forward for keeping it as is. The OP's response to these arguments is to say 'well i dnt like it', stomp his feet, huff and puff and even insult his peers.

The OP's entire argument for the proposed change has been rejected by all but one person. That one person was then challenged by two players to back up their claims and that was the last we read of that.

OP does not have a leg to stand on and has thrown a wobbler.

Hear hear,

or read read

And I didn't like in other MMOs where I had to grind the same stupid content over and over for hours and hours to get my one weekly cookie.

The fact that I can log in every week here and find a new cookie just sitting there waiting for me is one of the reasons I like this game so much. A minor reason but still a valid one.

Please dear lord, no. Giving out bonus remaps as gifts is one of the worst decisions they have ever made, and this is precisely why. Now everyone thinks they deserve a bonus remap for every damn thing. Every holiday season we get long, douchey, "Grrr, they better give us bonus remaps this year! Anything less is junk!" Same thing for just about every game anniversary, too.

And god forbid there should be any sort of technical problem or unexpected downtime.

I sincerely hope they never give out a bonus remap ever again.

So you admit to starting this thread in order to start a flame war?


Skills give you options, and the time spent training new options allows you to learn how to use the options you currently have. Allowing you to use a billion isk battleship before you have the knowledge to use it properly will just cause you to cry to forums just like you are now, only because someone ganked your billion isk battleship cause you didn't know how to use it.


Did you bother to notice that those in favor of your changes are also those who, like you, don't really know how the system works? This has little or nothing to do with bittervet vs. noob. Its more along the lines of learn how the system works before trying to make suggestions about core game mechanics, specifically when your reason behind the suggestion is cause you 'don't like it.' You are one of thousands, and the vast majority of those thousands like the system.


That's cause the 'average thinking' here knows how the system works and why its designed the way it is.


Simply because we don't agree with an idea that has been rehashed over and over for 11 years we cannot think outside the box? This is just further proff of your inability to make an educated suggestion regarding Eve. Eve is a game that not only encourages, but rewards thinking outside the box, something anyone who has spent the time to learn the system realizes.