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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2014-06-13 12:02:43 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Their Faction War Corp would become their default corp..
I assure you they would get slaughtered by the thousands, even in highsec. It would be easier to just remove CONCORD altogether. Pirate

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Dave Stark
#102 - 2014-06-13 12:02:52 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
This has been an issue for a number of years. I think the 'Noob Corps' should be exactly that: Noobs corps.

Characters older than a certain number of months should be forced into Faction Wars corps**. Eve is centred around PVP, if you legitimately play the game and STILL remain in a noob corp for whatever reason, being pushed into faction wars will open your eyes to what eve is really about.

** or a more intelligent criteria based on a number of variables to prevent character creations -> Farm -> Sell Char when NPC corp runs out)

I really like this idea. NPC Corp membership should be like access to Rookie Chat. Account age > 30 days should be locked out.


but then where do players go when they drop corp?

Their Faction War Corp would become their default corp..


and dumping people directly in to a corp with a war with no prior warning won't be abused at all.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#103 - 2014-06-13 12:06:16 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Their Faction War Corp would become their default corp..
I assure you they would get slaughtered by the thousands, even in highsec. It would be easier to just remove CONCORD altogether. Pirate


Even even easier would be remove highsec, local and make probes require 5 years account service

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Josef Djugashvilis
#104 - 2014-06-13 12:08:19 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
This has been an issue for a number of years. I think the 'Noob Corps' should be exactly that: Noobs corps.

Characters older than a certain number of months should be forced into Faction Wars corps**. Eve is centred around PVP, if you legitimately play the game and STILL remain in a noob corp for whatever reason, being pushed into faction wars will open your eyes to what eve is really about.

** or a more intelligent criteria based on a number of variables to prevent character creations -> Farm -> Sell Char when NPC corp runs out)

I really like this idea. NPC Corp membership should be like access to Rookie Chat. Account age > 30 days should be locked out.


So, somebody (this happened to me) signs up for Eve Online, a few days later real life gets in the way for four years, should come back to find that they are no longer in an NPC, but involved in Faction warfare, or whatever.

Players often come up with good ideas to improve the game, forcing folk out of NPCs is not one of them.

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#105 - 2014-06-13 12:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Anomaly One
Individual WD is called dueling
get to it.

Albeit you need the other one's consent
Ah I see your problem OP you're looking for non consent pvp
I don't know if those exist in EvE..

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Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#106 - 2014-06-13 12:57:52 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Supplemented ISD Ezwal's cleanup since he missed a post. Carry on.



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On point. Wardeccing an individual?

Can you not hear it OP? The sound of pitchforks and spluttering torches, the voice of the mob baying its bloodlust and fury? But hark. Listen closer, closer, closer...... There, right there, the rubbing of the hands in glee as certain individuals run the numbers, figure the angles, compute the returns, apply just enough torque to the rules to bend them almost, but not quite to the point of banning, and embark on a spree of griefing the likes of which eve has never seen.

Is this the future you wish to bequeath to the anklebiters of eve? A future where the strong pick on the weak because they can, where just posting in the forums could get thousands of people wardeccing you as an individual?

Where undercutting a sell order gets you a visit from the local Merc Corp to explain why what you did was a bit naughty?

Where mining in a system gets you podded on a regular basis

Where whenever you undock you wake up in a clone vat

Where random people demand isk or they will wardec and grief you. Just you... not your corp or friends.. just you.

Its a horrible idea OP. Sorry but it would be like dropping chum in a pool of sharks and then going skinnydipping.


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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2014-06-13 16:30:05 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Their Faction War Corp would become their default corp..
I assure you they would get slaughtered by the thousands, even in highsec. It would be easier to just remove CONCORD altogether. Pirate

Yeah I suppose you're right. I was just spitballing.

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#108 - 2014-06-13 16:57:39 UTC
OP has a grudge.

He wants to get even.

Im in support with those that said it already: get out of there and start shooting whoever you want. As long as you want to be safe and cosy in h-sec complaining about somebody being cosy and safe in h-sec...

Pot blaiming the kettle
Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#109 - 2014-06-13 17:28:48 UTC
Let me see if I understand this correctly. The OP is in a combat ship in an ice field bumping miners and freighters. A pilot in an NPC corp who is bumped does not like that type of non-consensual PvP. So he takes action within the mechanics of the game and hires a merc corp to wardec the OP's corp. And now the OP is complaining about his inability to punish the pilot that he deliberately bumped.

WORKING AS INTENDED.

To solve your problem, I suggest stop bumping miners if you can't deal with the consequences.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#110 - 2014-06-13 17:43:18 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
OP has a grudge.

He wants to get even.

Im in support with those that said it already: get out of there and start shooting whoever you want. As long as you want to be safe and cosy in h-sec complaining about somebody being cosy and safe in h-sec...

Pot blaiming the kettle


Quite the opposite. I would like to disrupt his mining as much as the WD against any corperation does. Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.

I do like the idea of limited time in an NPC Corp. I do also like the Idea of Individual WD. Yes I know it can come with potential problems, but nothing surely unfixable. This will stop anyone using NPC corps to dominate a system. EVE is about player run Corps. To have this unfair advantage over them goes beyond reasonable. Especially for the smaller corp. Also let's be honest here, it also promotes staying in a NPC to be free from WD's

For those that say I want Hi sec pvp against indies or indeed scared of combat. I am an EX WH dweller and null dweller. Coming bk after a period outside the game. I was also happy with the WD if he actually logged them on at appropriate times.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#111 - 2014-06-13 17:46:44 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:


Quite the opposite. I would like to disrupt his mining as much as the WD against any corperation does. Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.


Not really

http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/the-evolution-of-catalyst-pilot.html

Cheap, easy and fun

Vape a minor today

Er.. I mean miner

No minors allowed in the casino

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project
#112 - 2014-06-13 18:35:42 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:


Quite the opposite. I would like to disrupt his mining as much as the WD against any corperation does. Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.


Not really

http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/12/the-evolution-of-catalyst-pilot.html

Cheap, easy and fun

Vape a minor today

Er.. I mean miner

No minors allowed in the casino
You can do the exact same with a blaster coercer,
only losing a bit of tracking (blasters still have the best tracking)
and a bit range.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#113 - 2014-06-13 18:38:27 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
You can do the exact same with a blaster coercer,
only losing a bit of tracking (blasters still have the best tracking)
and a bit range.


Well I cant use blasters, so Ill take your word for it, though is tracking that important when shooting a stationary Retriever?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2014-06-13 18:50:33 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
You can do the exact same with a blaster coercer,
only losing a bit of tracking (blasters still have the best tracking)
and a bit range.


Well I cant use blasters, so Ill take your word for it, though is tracking that important when shooting a stationary Retriever?
Well, you may be moving a bit. But it doesn't matter much since Retrievers have more than 6x the base signature radius of small blasters.

The lower range may reduce applied dps somewhat, unless you're good at quickly getting into optimal and staying there.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#115 - 2014-06-13 20:41:28 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.


Revenge negates any loss. You either want that ****** gank hull that CONCORD will take, or you want the tears of impotent rage that will occur as you exercise the act of giving zero fucks and blast his mining barge from the sky, even under wardec from his cronies.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#116 - 2014-06-13 21:14:22 UTC  |  Edited by: KaarBaak
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Yarda Black wrote:
OP has a grudge.

He wants to get even.

Im in support with those that said it already: get out of there and start shooting whoever you want. As long as you want to be safe and cosy in h-sec complaining about somebody being cosy and safe in h-sec...

Pot blaiming the kettle


Quite the opposite. I would like to disrupt his mining as much as the WD against any corperation does. Any standard way of getting back at him equals to a loss of some sort or another, for anyone getting retribution.

I do like the idea of limited time in an NPC Corp. I do also like the Idea of Individual WD. Yes I know it can come with potential problems, but nothing surely unfixable. This will stop anyone using NPC corps to dominate a system. EVE is about player run Corps. To have this unfair advantage over them goes beyond reasonable. Especially for the smaller corp. Also let's be honest here, it also promotes staying in a NPC to be free from WD's

For those that say I want Hi sec pvp against indies or indeed scared of combat. I am an EX WH dweller and null dweller. Coming bk after a period outside the game. I was also happy with the WD if he actually logged them on at appropriate times.


I read the whole thread and your argument continues to boggle me.

You're willing to fight, but not willing to fight?
You're not afraid of his mining character, but you're afraid of his merc character?
You want to mine, but you cannot mine because of the merc corp that is never online?

Have you engaged the merc corp at all in battle? How do you know it's not a complete bluff? Or that he's not almost (but not quite) as bad at EvE as you are?

This is just another in a long line of trolls that wants to play EvE in a vacuum, with no other players "interfering" with their game. It's right up there with bumpy-humpy miners and AFK covops.

Play the game...stop letting someone else dictate the rules to you. Stand up for yourself. Be a man/woman/other.

Just stop being a baby about it.

KB

Dum Spiro Spero
ashley Eoner
#117 - 2014-06-13 21:32:24 UTC
dexington wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad


If +50M sp characters with years of experience playing the game need npc invulnerability, who is then who really needs to stop being bad?

Give the new players wardec immunity, but at some point the training wheels need to come off.

Hello 1 man corps galore. Oops guess your idea is worthless..
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2014-06-13 22:59:33 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
dexington wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad


If +50M sp characters with years of experience playing the game need npc invulnerability, who is then who really needs to stop being bad?

Give the new players wardec immunity, but at some point the training wheels need to come off.

Hello 1 man corps galore. Oops guess your idea is worthless..


No, because if they were all driven to one man corps then the single party wardec would become a reality. Just not against more social people.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
ashley Eoner
#119 - 2014-06-13 23:01:35 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
dexington wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad


If +50M sp characters with years of experience playing the game need npc invulnerability, who is then who really needs to stop being bad?

Give the new players wardec immunity, but at some point the training wheels need to come off.

Hello 1 man corps galore. Oops guess your idea is worthless..


No, because if they were all driven to one man corps then the single party wardec would become a reality. Just not against more social people.

m
That's something totally different from what I was responding to.
Dave Stark
#120 - 2014-06-14 06:38:57 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
dexington wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
ITT Turbobaby complains that he can't shoot people with impunity but won't leave highsec to do so.

Stop being a bad


If +50M sp characters with years of experience playing the game need npc invulnerability, who is then who really needs to stop being bad?

Give the new players wardec immunity, but at some point the training wheels need to come off.

Hello 1 man corps galore. Oops guess your idea is worthless..


No, because if they were all driven to one man corps then the single party wardec would become a reality. Just not against more social people.

m


it wouldn't because it's trivial to fold and reopen a 1 man corp for a fraction of the price of a wardec.