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This is legal or ilegal?

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Jorge Vemane
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-05-31 04:48:37 UTC
Not sure if posting in the correct place, but im sort of new in eve world and it is the first time i see something like that, and it make me sad

[IMG]http://i58.tinypic.com/1556xp0.png[/IMG]

http://i58.tinypic.com/1556xp0.png

[IMG]http://i60.tinypic.com/2nknt6e.png[/IMG]

http://i60.tinypic.com/2nknt6e.png

If it is legal, it is not fair, looks like he is pushing one button and having the 30 toons he is using minning at the same time

Thanks
Regards
Jorge
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-05-31 06:24:21 UTC
Jorge Vemane wrote:
Not sure if posting in the correct place, but im sort of new in eve world and it is the first time i see something like that, and it make me sad

[IMG]http://i58.tinypic.com/1556xp0.png[/IMG]

http://i58.tinypic.com/1556xp0.png

[IMG]http://i60.tinypic.com/2nknt6e.png[/IMG]

http://i60.tinypic.com/2nknt6e.png

If it is legal, it is not fair, looks like he is pushing one button and having the 30 toons he is using minning at the same time

Thanks
Regards
Jorge

yeah, its not a bot, so its legal, hes at the keyboard with a program (or no program, but likely a program) called ISBoxer that, lets say, when he rigth clicks an asteroid, ISBoxer basically (in simplified example) makes 30 copies of his screen, one for each character, and places the mouse in the same position on each one, so they all do the same thing.

And before you complain, outside of tedious missions or mining, this is generally what NO one does in EVE (basically doing it in PvP or anything that requires even the most basic of individual reactions/responses becomes very difficult)
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#3 - 2014-05-31 15:59:46 UTC
If he is using ISBoxer it is depressing......but legal.

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Jorge Vemane
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-05-31 20:27:14 UTC
sad, but thanks guys for the answer.

Regards
Jorge
Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#5 - 2014-06-01 02:10:32 UTC
I thought use of macros was banned by the Eula..
Isn't this player macroing his goons via this multi boxing application??

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-06-01 03:28:31 UTC
Saisin wrote:
I thought use of macros was banned by the Eula..
Isn't this player macroing his goons via this multi boxing application??


If it's automated then it's banned. If it requires physical player input that it's ok.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2014-06-01 08:29:16 UTC
Saisin wrote:
I thought use of macros was banned by the Eula..
Isn't this player macroing his goons via this multi boxing application??


The philosophical difference is that the player is directly controlling all of those characters. No in-game action is being automated.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-06-01 12:49:44 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Saisin wrote:
I thought use of macros was banned by the Eula..
Isn't this player macroing his goons via this multi boxing application??


The philosophical difference is that the player is directly controlling all of those characters. No in-game action is being automated.


This. Technically, he is within the letter of the Eula, since the actions being transmitted have to be initiated by a human element. There is no program making any decision of what to do when.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#9 - 2014-06-01 16:59:30 UTC
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-06-01 17:27:58 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
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I remember those photos. Ah the good old days.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#11 - 2014-06-01 18:52:03 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Saisin wrote:
I thought use of macros was banned by the Eula..
Isn't this player macroing his goons via this multi boxing application??


The philosophical difference is that the player is directly controlling all of those characters. No in-game action is being automated.


So you are saying that would be jumping at a gate all of his alts one by one. My understanding of is boxer is that you click jump on one, all the other windows receive the same command, so they all jump through as one, which is an accelerated rate compared to the ordinary as per the Eula...

The Eula says:
"You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency."

Obviously he also uses the multiple boxes to accelerate the rate of his mining...
How is this legal?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2014-06-01 19:21:12 UTC
Because of the thing I just said and more importantly, because CCP have repeatedly publically confirmed that it is allowed. Since it's their game and their interpretation of the rules is the authoritative one, it is ipso facto game-legal.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-06-02 01:42:27 UTC
To clarify, CCP took the interpretation of "at an accelerated rate" to be a by account basis, so an automation that allowed you to automatically stop your strip miners when a roid was dead and swap to a new one, would be an accelerated rate, since no human could achieve that accuracy/efficiency, however having all your accounts target the same roid and begin mining doesnt get you the ore any faster per account, so each account is still earning money at the same rate as if it was being controlled alone.
Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#14 - 2014-06-02 01:49:36 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
To clarify, CCP took the interpretation of "at an accelerated rate" to be a by account basis, so an automation that allowed you to automatically stop your strip miners when a roid was dead and swap to a new one, would be an accelerated rate, since no human could achieve that accuracy/efficiency, however having all your accounts target the same roid and begin mining doesnt get you the ore any faster per account, so each account is still earning money at the same rate as if it was being controlled alone.

Ah ok, thanks for this clarification then.. This is the piece I was missing to understand the interpretation for is boxer...

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#15 - 2014-06-02 02:37:18 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Because of the thing I just said and more importantly, because CCP have repeatedly publically confirmed that it is allowed. Since it's their game and their interpretation of the rules is the authoritative one, it is ipso facto game-legal.

Actually I believe their most recent stance was 'we aren't saying it's 100% ok, but it's not something we ban over'.
Which while it's basically the same thing as 'it's legal' leaves them wriggle room to come back on it later and say they've reviewed ban policy and this is now included so cease & desist.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#16 - 2014-06-02 08:33:43 UTC
Whatever hairsplitting makes you happy v0v

The OP asked if it was "legal", not for a discussion about whether it is "right" or "good game balance" or "will be legal 5 years from now" or anything else. It's not forbidden; CCP have repeatedly refused opportunities to forbid it, ergo as far as they are concerned it is currently legal.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#17 - 2014-06-13 18:13:24 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Whatever hairsplitting makes you happy v0v

The OP asked if it was "legal", not for a discussion about whether it is "right" or "good game balance" or "will be legal 5 years from now" or anything else. It's not forbidden; CCP have repeatedly refused opportunities to forbid it, ergo as far as they are concerned it is currently legal.



I assume that because CCP approve it don't mean they will support it or fix game issue that happen only with multiboxer

I recall Blizzard make decision for purpose to stop bots that also break multi-boxer (they disable /follow in Battleground)