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Do not derail

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#1 - 2014-06-13 15:56:53 UTC
TL;DR : This is a post with more than 40 words. If its too much, go check another thread. Or practice your brain more. Whatever.

I want to make short request to all forum participants:

My request is: Stay on topic.

I've noticed a large number of topics being locked down due to topic-derailment. Every now and then a thread gets cleaned up, but most just vanish due to a lock.
I cannot ask moderators to clean threads up instead of locking them. Doing that will result in... exactly.

In real life you can rid yourself of people going off-topic in a discussion by simply asking them to get back on topic, telling them to STFU or even remove them from the room. As on these forums a little sidestep wont end the world, but truly ending a discussion by simply talking about something else cant be solved as easy on a forum as it can be in real life.

My request is: Stay on topic.

Moderators will lock it down if you don't. There can be a 100 useful replies in a thread and a great discussion, but if the last 10 posts are off-topic; the thread will die. I've seen plenty of cool discussions just ending due to a lock. Caused by off-topic nonsense.
I'm not referring to lazy people who make posts without searching or just plainly post useless crap. Burn em I'd say. I'm referring to topics that make sense if viewed from the OP's perspective.

This is not a request to stop trolling. Trolling is not the same as blapping about something else entirely. A proper troll is in fact on-topic and most have a point in there somewhere. Ill admit that this is a personal view not shared by CCP as stated in their forumrules. But trolling has always been about getting away with it as much as anything else. If a thread gets locked due to trolling; its a failed troll. You messed up.

So if you really don't want to share a view; slam a creative troll in there or just read another topic and let others try.

Now if you want to share your view or tell me what you think about my request to you; feel free. This is a discussion forum, so go for it. Keep in mind that discussing moderation itself is against the forumrules. Like you, I have a strong opinion of it, but kept it out of this post. I'm asking you to do the same. Also make sure you understand that discussing whether or not trolling is allowed will create doubleposts. The originals of which are mostly locked. To help you out: "how do you feel about people destroying topics instead of contributing". Or "does it make sense that Yarda asks me to moderate myself?" (just remember to keep away from official moderation by CCP).

Lets see what you got ladies and gents!
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-06-13 15:59:04 UTC
This thread is now about baby sloths \o/

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#3 - 2014-06-13 15:59:39 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
This thread is now about baby sloths \o/


Lol

You're terrible....
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-06-13 16:02:16 UTC
Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-06-13 16:02:34 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
This thread is now about baby sloths \o/

It needs something, a little more... phsssssssssssssssssssssssssh
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-06-13 16:03:19 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
This thread is now about baby sloths \o/


Lol

You're terrible....


Your OP was basicly light moderation discussion and lack of content and you expect to stay "on topic"?
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-06-13 16:04:12 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
This thread is now about baby sloths \o/

I never got why people like sloths. They're sort of cute, but not really and they do nothing.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#8 - 2014-06-13 16:06:47 UTC
Do not derail. Derail is fail.

It makes the mods gnash their teeth and wail.

Don't do it at first, nor at the tail.

In fact, don't do it on any scale.

You might get a forum temp ban mail.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-06-13 16:06:48 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
This thread is now about baby sloths \o/
A perfect example of an OT post being much more interesting than the OP.

Though this time, it was easy.


TL;DR boring topics deserve to and will be derailed. The forums are a sandbox, too!

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-06-13 16:13:00 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
This thread is now about baby sloths \o/

I never got why people like sloths. They're sort of cute, but not really and they do nothing.
Like most of us spending time on EVE-O.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2014-06-13 16:13:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Some threads are so bad that they deserve to be derailed P

Kittens > Sloths tbh Shocked

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#12 - 2014-06-13 16:14:15 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Do not derail. Derail is fail.

It makes the mods gnash their teeth and wail.

Don't do it at first, nor at the tail.

In fact, don't do it on any scale.

You might get a forum temp ban mail.



This needs to be a standard ISD lock message.

Or even better: thread lock haiku.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-06-13 16:15:41 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
I never got why people like sloths. They're sort of cute, but not really and they do nothing.

Sort of???

They're just so wonderfully ooky.

Yarda Black wrote:
I've noticed a large number of topics being locked down due to topic-derailment. Every now and then a thread gets cleaned up, but most just vanish due to a lock.

On a more serious note.. the one thing I have seen work is if the thread originator continues to participate in and call out replies. If you address the off-topic posts right when they occur, then you have a way of steering the discussion a bit better. Unfortunately this forum moves pretty quickly, so you'd have to dedicate some quality time to doing this.. which may not be possible for everyone.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2014-06-13 16:17:13 UTC
Galen Darksmith wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Do not derail. Derail is fail.

It makes the mods gnash their teeth and wail.

Don't do it at first, nor at the tail.

In fact, don't do it on any scale.

You might get a forum temp ban mail.



This needs to be a standard ISD lock message.

Or even better: thread lock haiku.


I thought about haiku, but I figured that Dr. Seuss would be more appropriate for EVE-O.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#15 - 2014-06-13 16:18:03 UTC
All aboard! Hahaha

Crazy, but that's how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe. it's not too late
To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

Mental wounds not healing
Life's a bitter shame
I'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train
I'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train

I've listened to preachers,
I've listened to fools
I've watched all the dropouts
Who make their own rules
One person conditioned to rule and control
The media sells it and you live the role

Mental wounds still screaming
Driving me insane
I'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train
I'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train

I know that things are going wrong for me
You gotta listen to my words, yeah, yeah

Heirs of a cold war,
that's what we've become
Inheriting troubles,
I'm mentally numb
Crazy, I just cannot bear
I'm living with something that just isn't fair

Mental wounds not healing
Who and what's to blame
I'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train
I'm goin' off the rails on a crazy train

...

Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#16 - 2014-06-13 16:18:54 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:


Yarda Black wrote:
I've noticed a large number of topics being locked down due to topic-derailment. Every now and then a thread gets cleaned up, but most just vanish due to a lock.

On a more serious note.. the one thing I have seen work is if the thread originator continues to participate in and call out replies. If you address the off-topic posts right when they occur, then you have a way of steering the discussion a bit better. Unfortunately this forum moves pretty quickly, so you'd have to dedicate some quality time to doing this.. which may not be possible for everyone.


Yeah, I've seen some brave attempts to do that as well. But like you said, its pretty hard to do that. This thread managed to grab 9 replies in 2 minutes. All ofcourse ontopic and very serious :)
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#17 - 2014-06-13 16:19:06 UTC
This thread has no rails. Work safety board notified. Expect a fine.
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#18 - 2014-06-13 16:20:00 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Galen Darksmith wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Do not derail. Derail is fail.

It makes the mods gnash their teeth and wail.

Don't do it at first, nor at the tail.

In fact, don't do it on any scale.

You might get a forum temp ban mail.



This needs to be a standard ISD lock message.

Or even better: thread lock haiku.


I thought about haiku, but I figured that Dr. Seuss would be more appropriate for EVE-O.


I don't know....


"First post is pretty bad,
Rest of the thread is much worse.
Thread locked, screw your content."

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler

Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#19 - 2014-06-13 16:24:49 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
This thread is now about baby sloths \o/


I second this.
http://www.maniacworld.com/baby-sloth-with-a-big-yawn.jpg
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#20 - 2014-06-13 16:25:10 UTC
Mod more?
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